is brought to you by safety Eyes streaming on safety FM dot life Hello and welcome to another episode of the J. Ellen Show. Today's Tuesday, July, the seventh of 2020. I hope all is well in your neck of the woods. I know it's been some strange times as of late, but hey, we're making it through it together. Well, I don't want to take too much of your time at the very beginning of this thing, so let's get it started. I'm gonna tell you today's episode's gonna run a little bit longer than normal, so I want you to be prepared.  But I think it's gonna be one that you're going to enjoy today. I have the opportunity to speak with Blair Boyd. Clear. Boyd is the host of a new podcast that came out. It's called Safer than Your Average. I want you to take a listen to this conversation that I have today with Blair Boyd, and he talks about an episode that actually was released yesterday, July the sixth. But I want you to take a listen to what he has to say. Enjoy it now on the JL on Joe Blair, Boy How are you?  I'm good. You have a year. I can't complain. So, Blair, let's start off. I know that we we have briefly spoken in the past, so this is going to be an unfair interview. Has been already know some of the answers, so I'll kind of chuckle at it right now, But what got you started into this whole mess of podcasting? So the institution Occupational safety and Health as the baggage charge of organization on the UK on the Houston every some magazine every month on that had an article that told your boat professional's background, Holy got started on safety. What?  They were interested then some of the courses that they had done on about boat CV, the jobs that their progress do and what the whole bees don't say. That what was so being a young king professional one it developed and move on. I used to shut up n Empire Day every month and make notes of some of the training courses that some of these guys have been on, get involved on them and then really start to research. How did got to where they were? I love that particular article being on the magazine.  Unfortunately, they stopped a couple years ago on it was having that shop one afternoon when Mylene manager and I said, You know, I really mess out people being on the magazine because it gave me some Great. Perhaps when I was starting my video and he said, Well, think about what you're resurrect, that is there any way that we could bring it back? And I see, Yeah, you don't wanna dio going to make a health and safety podcast on guardian off your people that are imminent. And the industry so started looking around the podcasts on a guy that grew up in a relative way.  Some of that idiot to me in Glasgow, that new, a few friends, army. He was one of the cool kids when I was about more geeky, started his own podcast on these getting over a 1,000,000 views, put a pursuit at the moment, but I found some other connotations of what it was doing. The present of you and all these cannot celebrity gang stalls and criminals. Not far, I'm also really interesting people with a, um and of you and criminals or people that have been involved in claim but the great deals and great back stories because of what they receive the industry.  Because, as you know, gee, it's a really interesting under street. They walk in. Well, I didn't know if you're gonna turn around and say that you have some celebrity or from safety Gangsters did you get? I probably do somewhere where not to throw this off too much. But people are going to recognize right away that should not from the U. S. Can you tell them or your based out of sure, some based of Glasgow and Scotland? Yeah. So this is gonna be different because right now what we normally do is we We interviewed quite a few people, but most of them are from the U. S. So how did you get involved with the whole world to safety?  So that's how you got the podcast side. How did you get involved with the world of safety? Sure. So safety has been about development. Came the feeling etiquette either for morning, Stover always had a passion for it without really no one. Why, um, when I was growing up, my grandad was a what? A walk to veteran on he had walked on Shotgun Earthquake, a famous shipyard, The bow of the world's walk. She really knows it was based on a police called Klay Bank, just on the outskirts of Glasgow in Scotland are on industrial tone, and I had to beg employers.  One of them was joined. Brian Shepard. Up on the other one was single. Sewing machine factory on the phone could have thrived in the 19 twenties, 19 thirties, when my grandad was growing up. June in the Great Depression, Um, he went to walk in the shipyards on he walked on the for shopping, walked owners on Apprentices Helper at 14 years old was the Queen Meaty, which is never in Long Beach in California on its star. For that was so an M, I believe, in the 19 thirties, but his power has walk in the yards.  He progressed on to be a paper fetter on what quick course Nobel are. Guys that would express this lag ALS so they would put their specialist lagging around the papers behind them as he was walking on that usually a leaf. I can remember being being a relatively young kids. He was maybe in the seventies. We can open a moment and record a bathroom for 15 minutes in, uh, cough to train. Release the tension, and he's chased them from having slept overlay on. Always used to ask my grandmother.  Why does he do that? Every moment she said whether it was exposed to us stashed on his walk and left him with a long term one conduction, which is No, no. How did this get you excited about? Being in safety thing would deter me from that. Becoming a great interest in show he m He took me once the meeting. Um, and clay bank. There was a group formed because over the shipyard workers across the area had been exposed to respects this and he took me to a meeting.  Um, at the clean bank expects this action group whether about putting together a class action law should to claim for compensation against the shipyard from all of the people who had been made out on some of the families of people had passed away from it. And I saw one or two people deal that sport on the spot with such passion about putting this class action lawsuit together on really trained to get that Kleeman police on Meet People's Leaves a little, but bear hood suffer the whole health through the walk.  So that's where it came designated from, then went to school. Um, on all through makin a school kid and I wasn't very academical. I grew up in Glasgow, a tame when it was the model capital off Europe. So there was created all our trouble with gangs and problems with their native claim, especially on excuse to was pretty much a war zone. Rival schools fought with each other and oblique teams and things like that, so I wasn't very academical man. I would go Massine and play truant quite our disappeared and go exploring on.  I used to one that are unclear buying King with the library in the museum instead of being at school Onda, I never really knew I wanted to do as a consequence that up. So I left school and I got a job on the printing industry on a really great guy. A xylene manager guy he coaxed even grew on me, made the last minute that I said we may not be of much spoon terminal where you but I was about young in a bad way would not about control Ana.  He said to me, I know how I'm gonna affect you, how I'm gonna affect you as I'm going to give you responsibility and make you responsible to look after other people and help other people so that cannot launch. Then the Arcadia off getting a little about more responsible, that you teaching people things, getting put on the training course used to be able to instruct people hope to drag before craft on. I started on that Johnny who had always name thing, but I was treating gays in the forties and some things in the fifties, and they will have a new version of me and pass a test at the end.  Andi showing a practical example. And I'm driving a fort left. So it was really interesting having not well by experience. And I thought, yeah, like less. Then one day, a manager who shall remain nameless was supposed to go on a training course called the IOC. Managing safely calls on it doesn't want to go on a on A said Do you fancy going on? That's course. And I said, Well, okay, yeah, I was always taught by my grandad. Never come down three training so you never know when it will come in useful.  So I jumped on that schools and it was a week long training course that give you an introduction to health and see if they have cario a risk assessment. What legislation? Applying the health and safety on the UK and just like in a very brief over vehicles on absolutely love the wow, This is amazing. People get paid. Lee did us. That's is great. This is what I want you to know. So I badgered Dome over the time. I really want to get involved in. That's more. I really want to walk in the open sea if they so they give me more than more responsible.  Clearly, let me develop a few different training courses within the business On started to progress me and without rule. Let me carry out some of the risk assessments and get involved in some of the health and see if they work with business. Opt a point where the visit by construction project taking place and our organization Andi they will look inoculating old ana and uninterruptible power supplies on. They would also shutting up what, probably pretty common. No, but wasn't common then because it was a financial business I work for.  They were setting up a detox center with understate. I walked on on some of the technology. It was relatively new to the team, so I got involved with the construction guys coming on. Ashwin Up ailments and acting is a client representative, and it was really interesting. I was absolutely fascinating. But a construction say the things couple done without my stepfather more about than the offshore oil and gas understood, which was absolutely booming at the thing on. He was very influential on marketeer. It was always pushing me in, challenging me to try and get that next step.  She was a really great guy, really Cut each me along. Andi hassled my employ a lot much that they agreed to let me go on to do a formal education course. A university call on occupational safety and health. You're listening to the home of riel. Safety talk will be right back. Hey, J just wanted to tell you I have a new book and it seems kind of timely. Although I didn't write it for a global pandemic. And, by the way, this is my 1st 1 It seems to have lots of legs on this topic.  The book's called When the Worst Accident Happens, and it's a field guide to understanding how to begin a restorative process of responding to a horrible event. That book is available now on Amazon. I think you'd like it. 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And what happened was we will open on north of redundancy. A week after they agreed to let me go on the university course on I washed the funding for Onda. We were told toe hang on in there and we would get a redundancy payment. But it could be up to a year before we would be able to leave on. It turned out that it was 11 months for me, but I got the redundancy check through on the fraidy on.  I started the university on the Monday a year after we were told that on that went back as a full time student at 27 years old, um, redundant situate fresh in the bank, food times, trying to save the to really focus on trying to get ahead in my career. But in the lead up to a lot for the year, the average on noise Ah, what back? Schefter from Tour Cork and told 10 o'clock It may on the thought I've been a national for 10 years. I've never really experienced walking on any other industry or for any other employer.  So I contacted or what different businesses. And I said, Look, have you got any space that someone that young and keen wants to develop, comment and have a look at what you're doing and how you dio I know who's our doors caused in my face and a lot of people said, No, we can't do that because of the high about it with the insurance. So I really came up against a brick wall. But one day I contacted the smoke consultancy. A guy called while they crashed. Oh, well, you'll definitely be arrested us.  He's a great guy, great safety professional. He had just left the aviation fire selfish Glasgow Airport and had set up his own consultancy business called Max Safe Solutions. On it was a training and consultancy organization on a contacted him and had a 30 minute call weapon on two CIA drink patch to me. How are you going to shield us to me? What benefit might get into your comedy, what with me on Give him a patch. And he said that was excellent. However I was going to lately anyway, I just wanted to see what you're going to see if you could do training on.  And I said, I'm gonna have to watch. Um and, uh, and he said, Yeah, definitely. But what you come and get about walk experience with me. So gotta walk, expedient, swam. And I walked on other different from a funeral home. Ray up they an anaerobic digestion plant that they were making energy from waste food products on consultant on various different areas under lover and training. Well, it was an excellent teacher. It was one of those teachers that you get that it wouldn't tell you the answer. It would take you on a journey to find out how you could find out the answer.  That zest going a teacher for sure. Definitely, definitely. So really Enjoying my pain walking my home and I walked from West Ham from 70 a cork in the moment up until one strain quickly darted away from there and went. And what time? My shift and the Clinton place from to accord and told in a cork it mate five days a week, absolutely off the thrives on the energy, the obvious. Getting from a really enjoyed the same heart there eso that came that came to an end when I started the university because of the city to be a full paying students.  27 as I said on that was on the course for two weeks on the Gay Sat next to me was being put through the course by has employer. Andi said. You know something? You know, great gay and you've got some great knowledge. I'd love to help you. I'm going to speak to my employer and see if actually you can come in, shadow me and see what I don't And I said, Well, that's excellent because you walk in an industry that I'm really interested in walking on construction. So let's stood us.  So when you walk for a business cold one, then you're leading who, unfortunately, I'm going, going consumed any more. They went bankrupt a couple years ago on but an excellent organization on at the time they were walking on so absolutely amazing projects in the UK they were walking on the bag ish construction project in Europe, which was on 880 million phones. Hospital boat, which was Ah, bank by project. They went principal contractor or anything we gotta honor. They will, ah, subcontractor to the principal contractor. But while what an experience that was.  And I got some really great experience. Also got by a baptism of fire there as well. I'm going to see some of the issues that they had on Seitz and being able a really supporting developed, going toe to toe accident incident investigations and get in that courtroom from another really great guy who has been really influential in my career. On that means one of my good friends todo get cold math. You're absolutely great guy. Great coach, h military back lanes on. Really, really good at teaching as well.  So what? They're for away. Well, what don't really interesting projection. One that cannot stand. So I was talking to Matthew Booth about the honor Coal on DWI were reminiscent of last one that we went our perfect little project on a a needy off Scotland called Faith, which has a lot of historical buildings. Andi, there was a project being undertaken to restore the brickwork on a Gothic style church with a expire on a clock on at the 24 elevation scaffold, which was 24 stories. Um, the scaffold both for the project, was a moment bones a motion u K pone She'll probably about $1.  25 million bills. Um, really interesting project on the church. Other by Ah, come a bill. Ana is well on the spiral. So one morning we have I even say, Andi the story police cows at the front of the say And I think on the whole what's happened here We get back closer when we get over the company. Brandied ran on immediately. I see that bank police officer company Wall Street and he says you, the state manager said No, sorry. Really. See if the team actually even better Can you open the sea officer What?  We really need to have a lot with you on a glance over the shoulder on there's a to chest sticking out the front of the police cow smashed on the born up help and in fact on I think, Oh, what's happened here on and it transpires the two shifts from a local hotel had got really, really drunk after all shift and the Sadie. That would be a good idea to claim this massive scaffold in. So they broke into the same, claimed over the state fence and go on the scaffold and claimed up to the 22nd elevation where they found the spanner on.  He started being in the charge bail at 40 a. M which walk up half of the tone on. Of course the police were cold. So the police have a vote saying on one of them was a free the haze. No subsequently transpires that us leak walls their bowl deep in Jack Daniel's. So and maybe Cindy like a good idea at the time to claim a 24 elevation scaffold when you're free the hice. But when the police turned up, I think you should adopt pretty quickly. And he took very go and had a panic attack on had the why don't on the scaffold his body that was with um the Sadie through the two chest as a warming offer the scaffold to the police, but subsequently happened.  The police count smashed on the corner so he made his escape by claiming down there say that a scaffold and running away, leaving his friends stranded 23 elevations having a panic attack. So the police had Teoh get the mountain rescue. The rescue last game they used are very pure system to bring him down from the scaffold. This sounds like a really good friend regarding leaving the guy behind. That said, That's not the funny about this story at home. So the client for that particular project was absolutely dilated with a walk that we had done on a so much so that the Sadie to put a celebrated a one shown for all the state team at the end of the project.  Yes, we put toe have the civil but infidelity lunch through the gentleman who had been arrested and subsequently went core for throwing a few books offer this careful. Then we walked. There is the chefs in the kitchen girl board. Needless to say, we have to clean that offer. So that was just one experience and hlongwane off. Um, I can talk smack it. You're walking and see if the in Scotland been some really unique and interesting things happen now as So as you go through this, how far are you before you start doing the podcast?  So how many years ours is again? Probably 10 years ago. No eso. I was stubborn university. As I said, Well, that was happening relatively. Full team is a students. I was done 2. 5 days, every congestion. And then I was born on walking on the seats 2. 5 days a week to get experience in construction. So I go up to the the end of the first year, and I got the opportunity to go walk for absolutely fantastic business. The biggest construction company in Scotland, Stow, privately owned and was owned by a family on the family name, is on the business.  It's called the Robots in Group Absolutely Amazing Company on. They had thus excellent program cold the Chama and tells program. No, someone. Indians are pretty popular in the US, but it wasn't a very bad thing when I was a university on the UT. So I was really lucky. You get on this program on a walk for an absolutely brilliant women whose a group see if the manager cold, clear, wash on at the great safety regulator called Ken Mother and they worked as a team. Played coarsely. They really great people walking for the business at the time. Israel.  Andi, I was actually talking to one of them today. He was about a mental to me. Geico Murray province. Money was an e che si, inspector. So he was Ah, regularly thought a few lake on the under street for a number of years before he finished up with a regulator on, went over the dark side to work for one of the contractors. What the what we have. And I asked him woods of the French stuff like we would be driving around in the count and see him look at construction job over there.  When you look regularly, how would you would you have stopped to go and speak to them? What would have been a red flag to you? What would that fly? Something up that you would have thought I'm going to go back for by working less on it, gives lots of good information and really helped us to develop my career. So I walked with them on the summit and tells program they simply around the whole different construction seats all across Scotland on some really great projects. The new McAllen, this devotee and visible sent always one that specs and remained in together.  Here we open the more humans of Scotland on. That was a great project. That was the fost subterranean The study on the world. The Macallan whisky, of course, is a very famous what weighed and I really enjoyed walking on that project that was another bank mega project war. Some money being spent on ER. As I said, Foster don't get in the study on and look absolutely phenomenal when it was finished. So they're not for a few months, but the recognize that I was very good at what I was doing on brought me in for a meeting one day and said, Look, we want you offer your Philippine job.  How would that work? We going back to university? Would you be a woman? You dropped only part pain and I said yes. And they said, Well, I have not told you what the job is. Yeah, and I said OK, and they said, we're going to put you in charge of health and safety for over the residential businesses, and I was absolutely pressed forward. I was devastated cause I thought house both, and I don't want to do that. You're very, very quickly realized that host Belden is the rules Royce off the construction under strip because if you can belt Posey's, you can boat innocent.  The reason being the projects are really, really fast pieced because the minute you put a shovel in the ground, you're the clock is ticking for the P back on the money, that is course they said. They say up, you're fost sexed it in hoses on the money that covered the course for the say and then you really start the development, the money from the air. That's why did a Muslim Emphesys couple bulla What is the worst thing that you can put in the motherly construction project? Members of the public?  No. That's what happens when you finish the Pfosten hoses, members of the public movement and a medley of construction project, and you need to stop the plan round about them being there on start to really develop your system. Sorta the don't on your face with a walk that you'll carry and and they still have a normal wave because a lot of the host is that we boat were the robots include, while very, very expensive hoses, Very high spec luxury homes sure really developed their got to walk in some amusing project for them really great residential projects.  And there was a small business that was a relatively fledgling business. When I first started with Roberts in group with an immigrant gold robots in Partnership, Porn's on the Only Had That couple essays on their business model was very clever. They were building social Hoesen for local councils, and they would identify a poor land it could maybe about 350 or 400 Rosie's on going Okay agency weaken bone dust for you for us. Much cost on with the hose and shortage in the UK the local currencies with tea That's excellent waster nine teams of a thin.  So they very quickly grew and the group was absolutely exponential. Became a myself organization on its own, right. So I got simply experience walking with some really interesting seats and really, really great partly what Katherine or directorship him that what really into if and let me develop some molecular see if the community see the things we didn't call it, shift the community then like him, were where gentleman called Eddie Woods walking quick, coarsely with no, but really trying to develop the the influence at state level off.  The thinking of the gag is actually the covenant guys and get it was actually delivered in the walk for you and undertaking the walk so really interesting. Enjoy the joint. My team there. I watch that TV program one day with my long suffering wife on. I said, Look at us. This is amazing. And it was a TV program called Paddington was about Paddington Railway Station. Know the bill On day one? We're right away, not the bill was about the railway station and the operational railway. And how they maintain that The aware on Paddington Station that in a London, I said to my wife, That is fascinating.  There's a whole world that goes on it, they that we don't know about to keep you strange running, and I see that I'm gonna walk in the industry and she said, Please don't start. You've just got to say, with any construction on No, you want to move into Israel I see but somewhat on. I'm really interested in it, and I think I could be really passionate about us. So for a couple of months research that I had a look around on that was a very many real wage jobs advertised on a came down, put it on the bag bomber and thought five us your job advertised.  That's walking in Hilton. See if the Indian industry I'm going to go for Mom. I'm going to get involved in it because I really think I'd be good. That and one day of the blue seas degrees of separation again, I was only accidentally clicked a link on a post and I don't know how I ended up on the page and I saw the job advertised for Siemens Mobility Real infrastructure, UK as a human. See if the advisor for both segment and telecoms business out for I'm gonna play from up just on the off chance.  I probably won't get it, but I'm gonna play for it and see what they see on the garden of your on the end of your transpired that feel pain possession. And I just graduated from university of that thing I'm at the team that I graduated. I was very fortunate to be selected as the court medal winner as the most academical person off the year on. I was given the great honor a graduate foster my class on. I got the court medal, which is a medal that you get on.  You get on a national certificate and copy of degree certificate on the four draft taken with the dean of the school and all that stuff. That was absolutely amazing. And it was a real real owner. So I was talking about that in the end of you and they said, You have no got any really experience unless is a forward after world from what? You're used to walking on some of this stuff. Similar. But we're going to give you a show at on that I was dilated together short.  So I went to walk West. Seaman's on that was going to be walking me to really experience Guys under started on Monday on one of the guys that want to me. Um, lovely, lovely gentlemen called McCarroll. He went off to have a quadruple heart bypass. It previously had how operations on it went off. They have the have the operation on. Unfortunately, it didn't recover from and he died as a consequence of complications from the operation on the the whole business was absolutely every stated had been there for a long, long time.  I went to sh you know, and it was so respected. People from pretty much every real company in the UK have representation issue. No, on it was, um it was a big wash for the business. I then had to pack up on some of these projects on I don't have any experience working in the real under Street had never said for legally on every way track and trace fast A couple. Thank you. I was a kid, which I probably shouldn't have done, but I've never legally set foot on every away on I had the pack up on his work and he had 100 million poop projects on the people in and running, um, at the team he passed away.  So I had to really learn quickly on dlim on the job and go out and get involved in some stuff. Sure, at the good gay that I walked off their gay call, Tom Waddell. He pushed his on and she gloating. Walk with the gays and see what we do on a weekly basis and understand the job before you started to do a shifty get involved on help. Promote with some of the operations that love doing, killing, cable and whim. From then say, don't effectively, which have done mosaics.  When when Oh, there go my qualifications to be able to walk safely on the re away and couldn't my personal track safety certificate and cola on my for chef, then went out and say, Is an observer Andi standing, watching a couple guys walking on One of them was holding a cable, and he said to the other guy, Cut the cable and he black gloves on holding a black cable. It was late. Game on. You can see where this is going on the cable car caught on East on, and I looked over again and I thought, or no, he's gonna go into shock.  Yeah, his fish went, wait and I have to get album and pull. My were from the rest of the steam and something down. And he was trying to police glove off this year and I said, Look, just keep out on Just know governs the foster cap. Foster freedom, Cassie. Vacuum off shade and took him a horse pool on. That is all my fault, Chef, by the way, um, so we go in Horse poop is three o'clock in the moment with the Royal and Glasgow annoy washable on guys Go, which, if any of the nationals are Scottish, you probably know has about a reputation.  It's the courses hospital to this. A send off on the 3 a.m. over the nightclubs and glass Bowl City Centre. Keiko over the client. Andi. A good number of the room start their faith on the hospital really starts to get busy. So if you can imagine a scene where we walk in and we'll head to toe hombre orange Reflective favors calling guy who's played by the injury East, Um, was something waiting to be seen? There's drunk people over the police. There was a guy at the count off shooting the the staples that had been put your leg from where he had been stabbed.  What, coming out on? The receptionist was telling him he had been seen twice. And if you packed the Staples again. They won't prepared facts. Um, the what? You dropped east roses and this idiot, they start filling the moats. You can imagine with them for about your rough raid. Were the night agency. Great hospital. Yeah. Yeah, really interesting. So that was my fault, Chef. On the day away, I'm glad to see it go, but br from there, um, I think obviously occlusion myself from that accident. That accident investigator recused Tony myself from that accident, then to the investigation.  Um, on Dwight, one of my colleagues investigated, and actors are wetness. So there was about a point to that story that I saw an incident actually a car in front of me. Andi, I go to be the person being interviewed and see how you assess somewhat as a witness rather than the end of your which had always been done on Little told that point. And it gives me a war on CEO could develop Max and months of investigation techniques. So really, really interested. So don't methane weapon weatherly away Simmons directly organization you work for.  They really wanted to develop our people on give you fleet into travel around and see other projects, so they let me go down. So if they see some of the bank construction, real construction projects that were happening in England over in London, some of the jobs like Cross Rio and videos on the banking infrastructure projects that will happen on a really God, I could eat knowledge off engineering construction from there, then the Shadid just at the start of the year, to be honest, to move on from there on a golden opportunity to go on what an organization, that one on my my safe.  For a long time I had driven passion to what the vice president's, because of the principles and the beliefs on doing a what a great work I mentioned a day. Would you have their own? Probably mentioned a few people in this podcast, but it has been really influential. Mark area. We don't from a national walk Government Seaman's on cultural Margolin and cultural safety and unions agreed Business called Cow Bill. Um had them on my podcast safer when your average podcast just last week, you know, as a another woman of your stops absolutely fascinating, and he talked about a psychologist struggled and being a safety professional when he talks of a cultural model in on how you get people to understand, Hold on main walks on ho that influences safety on, say, and it walks reorganizations.  The high performing organisations Teoh actors about you can nap in talk if you take it back to the old. Can an allergy off the organization's really got donut out level that you're getting? Ah, people cut reported um, scratching the fish with Bush's reported. When someone's walking through a cow park and the vegetation is overgrown alaba, you're getting all that out level That important. Someone's been stung, were washed, but I be on the report. How do you then drive up culture to start eliminating somebody's incidents and accidents at the war level?  And but we'll bring an organization stand out mean set and changing the culture of the organization and getting that level a level that important and getting a read on the fainting level and taking it is close to zero as you can 1 83 scenes as you zero. So it's not the company zero or the safety professional zero. That's the end of a Jew. Zero. What will you accept? The jewels zero accidents. Zero incidents because we're all going to walk to get home, your family and they make money for our family.  At the end of the day, you're listening to the home of riel. Safety talk will be right back. You are listening to a renowned safety expert, Dr J. Allen on safety FM changing safety cultures one broadcast in one podcast at a time. Join the fun on social media and find us on Facebook at safety van. All right and loot. And I'm Brennan. We are foreign fighters. 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Sure.  If I said to you, G, you're going to walk this moment, you're gonna have an accident today. You'd be playing left. Uh, you would lead to think that you wouldn't have an accident on you would do everything in your product to try and prevent my accident. So if you frame it in, that context is personal to you. If you can do you stand up at the end of the DNC? I've done everything to make sure that I don't have an accident on support the organization in Make sure my friends and peels haven't Adam accident.  Then I believe that that's achievable. So what happens the moment that you have one accident, then doesn't that kind of throw the whole thing out the window? Because what is what are we deeming as an accident would be the other question to be as it it's warm. It changes everything because that's safer, invisible You we won't say where the person actually dismembered his finger as you were referencing earlier. But if you of a finger kite, uh, does that all the sudden change, that whole harm aspect now because now that's not zero.  So that kind of puts a cow Bosch to the whole system for the whole program because you were basing it off of that. Sure, sure. I get where you're coming from on that one. But again, if you take it back to making a personal aspect, you know, you've had an accident, you win from it, you start to put procedures in place and you support the clothes. Oh, about on a lot of the guys that walk to me in the deal. Understood? If they had that accident of incident, they would see me.  I'm glad you're investigating us and your common because we know that you're here to try and make it better for large and make sure that doesn't happen again. You know that your Morticia man is attacked box exercise to meet your we get away from Nash in the company's protected. You're really common. Anything. What happened? Hope, effects that and no put personal blame on someone or go further legal aspect. You really develop and you really do killer? Both. Yeah, but I guess when you start saying about going into blame on people in particular, especially when you're talking to people inside of the organization that are saying that to you that means that they're still using what we call a quote unquote system one or behavior based safety opposed to looking at it is safety differently because safety differently automatically realizes that people do make mistakes, and that is that.  It's kind of the common ground work. I get flustered and just meet personally. Of course, when people start talking about, you know, the zero think is I just don't think that it's obtainable and don't get me wrong. Paul O Neill talked about it for a long period of time on Alcoa, and that was kind with the driving force and some of the things that some of these bigger organizations air doing out there. But I just don't think that it's realistic because even your best worker makes mistakes.  They just know how to do it. They know how to cover it better. They've done it so many times that they do the work around as they do it. So That's why I'm a big a big proponent of human organisational performance or safety to however you want a demon. When people start talking about accepting, always like, there's better ways to do things. And most of the times what takes place is the people that work for you or with you understand it better than the people that are inside of the C suite.  Sure, sure, on how we got around that are restarted to manage that I was looking at bringing and the non technical skills aspects and realizing that people do make mistakes. One of the things that used to rob me up the wrong way We incident. An accident investigation was you go close over on it would see human performance feel we are or what used to be 10 in my ocean. Well, why did they feel we concentrate? What was the underlying thing now? So we really started the developer scheme.  A non technical skills. Do you have your technical skills that you can train people for an educating for and it goes on the rich pains. Uh, you're known technical skills are formed by you're not bringing your background, the experiences that you've had in life on what we phoned, especially walking in the west of Scotland. People don't wait to speak up about things, so the U zero thing was bringing it back. And in framing the language and the way that it was taking the zero harm thing and seen work we're not telling you you're not going to have accidents.  What we're telling years do everything in your power not to have an accident. Cooper, t collaborate with appeals. Walk on and make sure that you're doing everything in your power to eliminate an accident. And how did you see What was the successfully that you saw after that occurred? Do you know we had give a successes on bringing that on baggage? Success for me was getting people, and it really changed in the main set. The particulate understood that we walked on. Um, you can imagine that the real under she's been going for a couple 100 years in the UK on There's always been a cultured off.  Don't speak up. Don't see anything. Don't tell them what happened. Trying. Just keep under the radar. If you speak up, will be consequences immediately. Stuff that they change that means they're not possession on some of the work that we've done develop in the culture, to say the things with the guys and bringing them on people we have open and honest conversations on be able to speak up and see. I don't think that is quickly to the point that we started to bring on the other areas of the business leak fatigue management that gazed into Do you know what I feel?  Child? I don't feel what walking tonight. I'm capping a chef Tia on I'm going home without any punitive action or consequences. So it was really taken a material cultural approach on developing not through. Well, at least they're able to be honest enough to have that discussion because some people inside organizations don't feel comfortable enough where they can do that, where they can turn around and say, Hey, I'm not feeling it today and it's not the excuse to leave work, but it's really more along the lines of saying, Hey, you know what?  The fatigue issue and that's why I want to go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and continue being on because some people don't feel comfortable enough to telling that to the people that are being that supervised them. Quote unquote, if you put someone on that safety clerical and vitamin where they clashed two trains running about a plane speed of 125 miles an hour. One mystique. Did you know there is only going to be 11 up? Yeah, well, there's normally only gonna be one mistake is normally how it occurs. Yeah, totally. Totally.  So having not mature, approach to things and be able to speak up and see I don't feel like glass today. Fine. Goal. Um you know, love is a cultural development stuff done There are then wanted to move to the organization that I am at the moment because of the principles of the organization. But moving, itwas getting energy as they are by men resource and moving away from the international coal fired power plants. Causing all the name down and moving towards that can add renewable and sustainable energy projects.  Really, really fascinating. Walk on. I've really enjoyed get involved with the business. The social got great culture on the great maturity around them. Holy flame. Language off what we're doing and some of the gate. What we'll do. So let me ask. Because, of course, with them knowing now that you're doing the podcast, what are they telling you in regard to doing the podcast? There's a safer than your average. What? How do they feel about you talking about some of the things that you talk about? I don't really have any feedback as of yet.  Um, are they started recording these? I don't know if you seen any often. Yeah, so we'll see how it goes. But it's been really good. Really positive, to be honest, Um, I found some great feedback from the industry. Some of some of the people involved in industry of came back Commune City, Baroin. We're really enjoying these governors. Ideals are what the ex military gag saw. Ex military, too Hilton. See if he seems pretty well trodden path in the UK on the nuclear incoming president of the institution.  Occupational Safety and Health as an H military gay. I've done a podcast with him a couple weeks of all gay called Jimmy Quinn a little bit of recent and a few weeks time, and he was talking about how he sees developing some of the military veterans to come and cause of degree transferrable skill set to people who develop over to being a health and safety practitioner. So it seems to be a well trodden path from the UK. Here's something I'm really passionate about helping people who have been under foresees haven't had some family that been in the military.  I can upload military tradition on with some of my ancestors. Well, let's talk a little bit about some of the podcast that you have coming up because there's a run of the original conversations that you and I had. Can you talk about the one of these specials that you have coming up in regard to your podcast? Definitely after an absolutely excellent one that will be going out in Sex Ed July. And there's a reason that is going on in the sex of July. The reason is this is the 32nd and diversity off.  The incident on the podcast is with a gentleman called Ju Min in. No, it's been really carry a highly for me. They sat down for a number and speak vigil about these experiences. Jewell was one of the sexy one survivals, or paper alpha on the podcast will focus on the paper out for disaster on it was ah, really by the incident that happened in the sex a July 19 E on the North Sea. It was an oil platform that was being carried out is about an experiment that was supposed to be shut down, um, for mental institute place.  But the cause off the money that it was generating the revenue it was generated in the operating company, the city a carryover. An experiment to see if they could keep the platform producing or you seem tame is undertaking the maintenance program on their wars. A piece of equipment that was a pump that was taking a commission and the chef on the payment to walk system was a little but lacks on the pill mill, which put back on the Pellman Coordinators desk at the end of the shaft.  On the other pump that we start opening in the twin pump. That one that was still opening was a feeling on the nature. Andi. The decision was taken to try and re energize the pump that had been removed, but the blind completes hadn't been fitted properly. Athletically, a significant explosion on the other oil platforms that were connected on that continued to palm oil and gas to that platform, Um, all throat that there's our star on it led to the whole rig being gulf. That was pretty. Some of the people are raising incident that and not the whole red bumps from she level three up to the the heli dick on a George.  Forecasters, Absolutely, how rendered any tells your boat these experiences, and he tells it in a very matter of fact, manner on these experiences after that have affected these leave. He never went back to walk in the offshore, understand after, like, particle incident. So that put cash coming out sexy. July. As I said, it's a really interesting one. If you want to have a lesson, I'm hoping that there is going to be on Chief the FM potentially J well in that part of the thing that I would love to talk to other audience in you about is that we've had a brief discussion about actually airing it on Safety FM. Now, I I always tell people I don't want to do you know I don't want to be the early release unless That's what you want us to dio and I would have the opportunity to be able to share it on the radio station with the listeners.  If you're willing to do so, it's definitely I'd love to get on your radio station and let the last night, you know, because Julie's story house to get out. Now, Um, it doesn't do what public speaking after the incident. It didn't really get involved in anything like glad at all. But in 2017 you had about your flashback, Um, after seeing the Cannon Phil disaster in London, where a block of flats was bombed out on air. There's all our people killed there on that hi related similarities terms. We decided to get involved in public speaking on going out and doing some see if the impact speaking for some organizations on these experiences on their Giusti if wrap up a bottle.  But from now on, a low back on takes, Joe actually jumped. Or for the here Redick, which was 175 feet and in the sea and survive while and the thing that he's able to sit down and have the conversation with you so many years afterwards. I mean, regardless, and how you look at it. It's an emotional event on how occurs in him still, you know, being able to survive from it. And then the other portion of you being able Teoh him actually coming onto your show, Lett's would be riel and having the and, I mean when when somebody is having the discussion about something like that, just kind of like you were doing your reliving certain portions of your life.  And that's what he's doing as he's telling you. The story on em, the whole thing off for the back off, the the podcast off done with, um, you, as I say that the oceans Ariel Correa highly to me. I study paper off on paper, out for disaster on university Andre about detail as, ah, can a group project on it really stopped with me. I read a really great book called Fire and the Night by a Guy code in McGinty, on the Jewish Story features on on the name of man fought to myself with the team when I was studying that reading that book that I'd love to meet that game.  Just understand a little bit more about what you went through on the expediency is the odd on here. It was a real privilege to set the Martha and be able to get out 1 to 1 talking with, um I talk the whole incident. So of course you know, I'm gonna have to ask the question. How are you able to find him? So he had done some speaking for one of the Irish the ocean off east lunch a couple months before at the city to try and get in touch with, um, with the report cast andare Regional Branch I, your regional manager gentleman called Anthony attends you under.  These are great guys. I'm actually American lives over in the UK No, he started blowing. Walk has been really, really in college in on developing the podcast and stunned. Should get what they supporters asked him if he choked. Did you ask him if you'd be willing to speak to me and he said, okay. And your problems will get in touch with family. Got back to me in an extensive th violent either. And it was a simple is actress une email. I'm We spoke on the phone and this idiot, their own mother.  It's interesting that house. Sometimes those things work out because sometimes when you sit around, go while I don't know if it's gonna work. Boom! In something like this occurs now. How is it for you in regard to setting it up? Because, of course, there has to be some research you have to do into the accident. Off course. Of course. As I said that pray for mogul, whether the particular incident, having researched at a university so identical back through some of my more to the presentation, I mean for the the year end, because it was created by leather and one of the modules I was walking on a university.  So either a good look back through some of the North for Bar on. Then I watched the documentary Probably pray stupidly, that my 2. 5 year old Dawson and where I was driving an eight documentary work me and she kept at me about, or You and Fire and from a couple weeks after a while, um, but and really highly t to me that I had to look at the background over again and get back into the the main ship. But George, such an easy person. They thought there. And he's a really great public speaker.  So really food Well, and you can tell the story very matter of factly. So when you go back now and you had to do everything to get everything ready for this to come out on the sex is this Hader's How did he feel about the finished product? So I'm gonna have to go with another by Jim Was Pokey 1/2 core profit organization walking with me at the moment and called the Unseat Group. And I've got a really great gator called Josh not feel, um, Josh Fantastic at video.  And so then they didn't what problem in the past have used and say, though, to make a wall that after its safety videos on When I said that I was sitting on the podcast and get involved Obama and trying to social media stuff, they said to me What what was in the past? You give us towards a business, you know, blowing guy. We really want to walk with you. Um, we're going to sponsor you moved over your head, didn't on help you get that so you have editors that are doing this stuff for you for free?  Yeah. This definitely sounds like you know what we would call here in the U. S. A drug deal. You get the for the first few ones for free before they know the done it. Totally Fiat Antonio. Usual back. Show that and say don't absolutely fantastic business. I've really enjoyed working with him and the girl on the UK And you want to make some safety of ideal is or even in the us, and you want to fly them over. I'm sure they'd be happy. Come really good at what you do.  Check out our website there on lane and not based on North Ingham in England. Well, I'm sure if anybody can fly, they would probably be willing to come out here for sure to do so. You know, if people want to know more about you in the podcast, where can they find out more information? You'll find me on Lincoln. Um, Blair boy tm IOS on lengthen. I've also got a safe of in your average when one page of a YouTube channel, which we post over the videos off the podcast being recorded on YouTube.  What on I chins would on Spotify Amazon the Google play store as well Safer than your average is a name. Oh, no. Often Then let me ask a strange question here. What is the frequency on your episodes? How frequently be helping come out moment. I'm releasing one every day. To be honest, I'm really enjoying record. Mama called it fall on the Fox week that the city did us, Um, after which three so far will be another one coming out Thursday at 7 38 PM UK time. Um, really great stories.  I've had some really great interesting characters on next week's one's gonna be really interesting. Like Akiko Belka, sales is an absolutely fantastic guy. I have known for a couple of years humans a business called oxygen training. On these, a real background again, he walked with regular on a few non science. He also walked with the and you forgive me for my ignorance here. I can't remember the guy's name off the top of my head, but you walked to the scientists that done all the research in the UK ever given spiders of asset narcotics, and they wove a Web were strand messing everything.  They took some of the narcotics to play famous research people. That was about an understudy. The harmonies only Correa so really interest. Eccentric guy. He's a minded when others, well, he's invented awards at Afrin Safety Cap and cap for tasting local exhaust ventilation systems. So check out beyond released next week. Now, let me ask the question real quick, if you don't mind. What are you going to do for the one for July? The sex? Is that the one that you were? So will there be also an additional release that third today?  Or will it only be just on that week on the circuit? At the moment, I'm walking with the girls to try and get it back up this week. But currently refurbishing the next video at the same payment. Me dropping woods upward, Casanova run box. So I'm hoping will be one coming out on Thursday at the moment. But we're gonna go on team skills, so we'll probably gonna have to have a meeting on Monday and make a judgment goal from there. Well, Blair, I appreciate you actually coming onto the show.  J Thank you so much. for having me on the shore. I'm absolutely the 80 to 1. See if the FM it's been on ambition ever since I've seen your website and seen the senior up. I thought, that is brilliant. I've been western. It non stop. You get some really eminent people on another, for my name would be the only some of them, um getting recorded the go on your show. Hey, like I always tell people, this is ah ever growing network of podcasters and broadcasters. I look at it is that all I'm trying to do at the end of the day is make sure that we can get the word out there.  However, we need Teoh. Sure, sure, I have No Don't will walk again together in the future on Put some great content there. The community seems to be very supportive for each other. For the lords of people. Message me and see that's is broken. We really like that's what really enjoying it. Some people that are also doing podcasts send a 1,000,000 messages, give me taps and information at the cool way. James McPherson, the other There are no your father on the show recently is also over the UK given me some great advice is probably, ah, couple years during the lane on the jump me from me, I'm relatively new toe.  I'm even for the thought You always a in being number one walk Great. Your number two best way to look at it. I always look at it is that you could be number one today and be something entirely else. Don't be so hung about. The numbers be hung up of what you're doing to be able to help the community. Well, this is gonna bring this episode to an end. I hope you enjoyed the conversation here today with Blair Boyd. 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