This is, this show is brought to you by safety FM. The following program is rated for mature audiences and may contain adult language, adult situations and frank safety discussions. Names in certain details have been changed to protect the safe and the unsafe. But believe me, every item and here is true. Why aren't you being listened to today on safety Wars? One of the other broadcasters here on safety FM. Todd. Conklin raised a question a few weeks ago, something along the lines of why aren't you being listened to? I never met Todd, but I have an enormous amount of respect for him and this is not a criticism of him or anyone else on the network or anybody out there in particular. But he raises a really darn good question with a couple of stories that he shares, Like the three story story. If it could happen to him, it could happen to almost anyone. I have an answer to this. My answer, you are not seen as a peer in some organizations. You may never be seen as a peer. I came to this realization right before I left my corporate job and was essentially told us not explicitly, but by the way managers treated me, I would never measure up to the mark because I would never be appear Yeah. Listen to some of the podcast that I've uploaded and you see gas lighting and push back faced by safety professionals through the podcast were based on my direct experience with these behaviors. The lack of respect. Now you may not be appeared for a whole host of reasons. Some of the reasons may be valid. Some of them may not be, you may not be appear for a whole host of reasons. You don't know the right person or people, you don't know what leadership is. That was one of my problems. You do not have the traditional education or degree. We're on that in a minute. You may not have experiences like other people may have a lot of stories, you are not a member of the click meaning a group of people that likes to be insulated from everyone else. They will let other people into their group. It could be for any number of reasons. So safety is a non traditional career path. Someone has a degree in chemistry, you know what, that is the same thing in physics, psychology or many other types of degrees. You may come from the trades. People know what the trade is. A degree in safety is not well known outside of safety. Some people may have had bad experiences with your predecessor so they decide never to trust the safety person again. There's nothing you can do about it. I get that all the time on some of my projects. Jim The last guy screwed me. I'm not giving you the opportunity to do it over the weekend. I had a conversation with someone who I hadn't spoken to many years. She graduated with honors With a safety related degree from a very prominent graduate school back in the 1990s. She worked for two companies that you've heard of as a very high level safety manager, a physician, but that most people would give a body part to get. It turns out she left the industry because she wasn't well respected, was underappreciated, underpaid. Her managers didn't know and didn't care to know what she could do and what her value was to the organization. Never even told her once that she did a good job. They're essentially myopic and in hindsight, there probably sociopaths that were on the five year in our program. You know, the program they work at a place for five years or less when the going gets tough or before their foul ups really come to fruition, they leave and then your successor has to clean up the mess. She felt she was making no difference in safety. I was basically being psychologically abused. Her solution was leaving the industry altogether and starting over again with her own business and a totally unrelated field. The safety industry was someone really talented and really good at what they do. My solution was similar when faced with the same issue. If you're not being treated as appear perhaps finding out why would go a long way to finding a solution? I wish I had done that, then I wouldn't have been guessing for a couple of years, but I'm asking, don't be afraid. I'm an answer. You don't like the solution might be to leave the organization, go to another organization, start your own company, do something else. But the solution can never be self harmed. If you're feeling depressed, get help. If you're feeling down realize that it's likely not you for the system that you're in and you might not be able to change it. Go out there, live a happy life, go out there, climb whatever mountains you want to climb, do what you want to do. Life is short. Don't waste time at a job you don't like. And I realized that's easier said than done because jobs are very often hard to come by in our field but it's really not worth it to deal with people you don't appreciate you in my humble opinion for safety wars. This is jim puzzle. 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