Our conversation with contemplative author Martin Laird continues with this episode. To hear part one, click here. "What I mean by 'Contemplative' is ultimately overcoming the illusion of separation of God, and that illusion is sustained and maintained by inner noise in our head. And everything about our culture keeps our attention riveted there." — Martin Laird Some of the resources and authors we mention in this episode: Martin Laird, Into the Silent Land: A Guide to the Christian Practice of Contemplation, Martin Laird, A Sunlit Absence: Silence, Awareness and Contemplation Martin Laird, An Ocean of Light: Contemplation, Transformation and Liberation. Martin Laird, Gregory of Nyssa and the Grasp of Faith Miguel Farias & Dr Catherine Wikholm, The Buddha Pill: Can Meditation Change You? Evagrius Ponticus, The Praktikos & Chapters on Prayer John Climacus, The Ladder of Divine Ascent The Desert Mothers and Fathers, Early Christian Wisdom Sayings Bernard of Clairvaux, Selected Works Anonymous, The Cloud of Unknowing John of the Cross, Collected Works Meister Eckhart, Selected Writings John Ruusbroec, The Spiritual Espousals and Other Works Thomas Merton, Dialogues with Silence Thomas Keating, Open Mind, Open Heart: The Contemplative Dimension of the Gospel Richard Rohr, The Naked Now: Learning to See as the Mystics See Teresa of Ávila, The Interior Castle Howard Thurman, Essential Writings Martin Luther King Jr., Strength to Love Diarmaid MacCulloch, Silence: A Christian History "Life itself is too wild to be tamed by the social constructs that we try to shoehorn it into." — Martin Laird Episode 56: Silent Land, Luminous Ocean: A Conversation with Martin Laird (Part Two) Hosted by: Kevin Johnson With: Carl McColman Guest: Fr. Martin Laird, OSA Date Recorded: February 18, 2019 "In deepest silence the self is 'unselfed' of self... Silence 'unothers' the other." — Martin Laird