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[00:00:03] Allen: able to lead roles of caution tape in a single bound, stronger than a wet paper towel her near than a cow pie in the desert sun and coming to you from East Tennessee. It's Allen the safety guy put on them Safety glasses. Where's your heart tone shoes? I say. I say you want a heap of trouble, Boy, Now here is the podcast you've been waiting for, the one the only Allen, the safety guy. 

 

[00:00:41] Allen: Thank you for joining today's episode of Dragging Up six point. Oh, this is Allen, safety guy coming at you, digitally remastered and all the way from Dandridge, Tennessee. Today I'll be rejoined by the legendary Jim Kitchens, who was with me on our first podcast, and I hope this time I remember to hit the record button as I'm a novice in the podcast industry. I could promise you this. When I screw up, it will be in a glorious and memorable manner. Now it's his podcast is to officially start the genesis. Siri's. We may have an occasional verbal hiccup is we go over the content we intended to the first time in the coming weeks. The Genesis series will be followed by additional interviews, safety seconds, training pieces and all manner of shenanigans and non compliant HR dialogue. So sit back, Lower your I Q and enjoy the show. So, jr from the 82 people that listen to us the very first day and then signed restraining orders. Here are the top three questions. If you had unlimited funds Unlimited and was going to go out on a date with Caitlyn Jenner, where would you go?

 

[00:01:56] Allen: So who is Caitlyn Jenner? Is that Jenner?

 

[00:01:59] Allen: Jenner is formerly known as Bruce Jenner. Unlimited funds, unlimited funds. Whatever

 

[00:02:06] Allen: you limited. You want todo catch a plane to Haiti's and leave the country.

 

[00:02:12] Allen: Okay. Okay. So, you know, people were just curious and I thought it was kind of funny. I was like, uh, Caitlyn Jenner is Isn't that a dude? And they said, Well, it's 2020. It could be anything it wants, but that was one of the ones because they wanted to hear your response to that. And the second? Well, the the second one to that I thought was pretty funny, was if you had unlimited funds. Where would you go on a date with Betty White?

 

[00:02:37] Allen: Oh, anywhere. she wanted to go. She is the best. Betty White is is the best by far. I mean, when she was on Golden Girls, that was kind of a downplay of her talents. She is just She's something else. She doesn't act her age. It all. You know,

 

[00:02:57] Allen: I love her. I mean, she she was absolutely crazy. And some of the commercials, just some of the outlandish ways is

 

[00:03:04] Allen: the live shows is what really? She could be a safety person. You think so? Yeah. Going down out of that tower you don't have a belt on. You know, son of a gun. You That would be her. Okay. Headed. I could have all had

 

[00:03:24] Allen: any white Not not Caitlyn Jenner you? No, no,

 

[00:03:27] Allen: no, no. Caitlyn Jenner would be you. Where was I like that?

 

[00:03:32] Allen: I didn't think about that, you know, with all the gold medals. And you know that Siri's it was on with the Kardashians and everything else. You know, a lot of people were like, What, do you think he was like this? Maybe, you know, transgender something during the Olympics and back in the seventies or something

 

[00:03:50] Allen: like that. Yeah. I think the poor guy. Would I think, the poor guy out of the spotlight too long and you want to get back in the spotlight, which pretty much took care of it. I mean, he was in the spotlight, no doubt about it. Uh, but I just I don't know whatever he wants to do, he can dio I don't care. You know what I mean? E

 

[00:04:09] Allen: zine Olympic medals.

 

[00:04:11] Allen: If that makes him happy, then are happy if it makes it happy. E was wrong. That was not politically correct. If it makes her happy, Whatever. You know, that's fine with me because I'm not going to join him in a run down the road or anything, but but the best best wishes upon

 

[00:04:33] Allen: I wonder how much speed he could get in high heels. I bet I bet he could still

 

[00:04:36] Allen: Well, I mean, you know, if he practiced around the house, I'm sure his daughters and his his wife could could show him how absolutely. You know, I mean, I think that if if the person was was in the right mind of herself, she would listen, ladies, that know what's going on.

 

[00:04:54] Allen: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I can't even

 

[00:04:56] Allen: You gotta sit down when you do that, you know?

 

[00:04:59] Allen: Yeah, I guess you're doing after that.

 

[00:05:01] Allen: Well, yeah. I don't know.

 

[00:05:02] Allen: Yeah. So Okay, uh, listener number 70 for there. There you go. We hope you enjoyed that, uh, listener number 32 if you had your choice. And this is completely up to you. I don't want to say anybody's influence you on this decision. Would you rather have adult diapers or pee pads after a long night of partying?

 

[00:05:26] Allen: Oh, I'd rather have a diaper. Then you could move around. Otherwise, you gotta You gotta pee, pad the whole house. Have you got a pee pad? The whole house. And believe me, I know about pee pads. I have dogs. Uh, no diaper, Absolutely. A diaper. Then I actually wear a diaper when I'm working, like, right now, Um, s so I should say that I don't think any breaks. I just wait a minute.

 

[00:05:52] Allen: Uh, ladies, gentlemen, that that is our online version of water reduction in actually. So yeah,

 

[00:06:01] Allen: this keypad moment has been brought to you by

 

[00:06:03] Allen: E. I think we should get coverage for that. Yeah, because e not that I was intentionally hunting it down for myself, but they had some adult diapers ahead. Denham, I kind of like that. A popular guy, but yeah, they look good. They actually look good. I think if I wore when it would give the appearance that I actually had something in the back. Uh, Okay, well, there you go. Alright, listeners. So hopefully that answers your question. Now, this is on a more serious note, Jr. So this this one is actually about Cove. It, um So the question is J R. If you were still working in Alaska and you were still working on the pipeline with the wearing of masks, hinder or cause potentially cause respiratory issues with men and women working in the oil rigs. Respiratory issues? Yes, sir. Limited breathing, you know, because

 

[00:07:02] Allen: number three bombs everywhere. Well, you know, and this is, uh this is definitely from Facebook, and it's on Facebook. It's got to be true. Uh huh. That when you wear a mask, your oxygen level drops down below. Um, OSHA's prime quality on which I think is 19.5,

 

[00:07:28] Allen: 19.5 to 23.5. Yes,

 

[00:07:31] Allen: that's right. 17 was the reading under the mask. Now, I don't think this was in 1995 and then in five is the one that has a little breather, Uh, in the center.

 

[00:07:42] Allen: Right. It's got a diaphragm. It's

 

[00:07:44] Allen: got right. Exactly. I think

 

[00:07:46] Allen: the guy exhaling on the tube was a little dramatic.

 

[00:07:50] Allen: Mm hmm. Yeah, Little weird, little different. Hold it down there, Wear plugs, and I'm around. Yeah.

 

[00:08:00] Allen: Yeah, that that video has been making the circuit. A lot of people are like, Oh, my God. You know, I'm not gonna wear that. And it's like, No, he's exhaling.

 

[00:08:07] Allen: Right now. You have a lot of people that wear masks that don't cover their nose so that take the mask off, throwing the garbage if you're not gonna wear amazing. Yeah, a lot of people don't wanna wear a mask. And that that's fine. Long as you stay home, you know, But think about the Children, you know, think about the Children walking around the store and whatnot. You know, you Yeah,

 

[00:08:29] Allen: that's amazing. You said that, J r. Because in a lot of places ah, lot of states have a caveat. Where Children under the age of 12 are not required to wear a mask, and, you know, it's like, Okay, why would you choose that age group and lower? I mean, obviously, with infants and stuff, it's gonna be a little hard to keep one on.

 

[00:08:51] Allen: I guess they're thinking would be, uh I think they're thinking on the on the idea of that younger people are not susceptible to Cove in 19 which is not true. All all human lives are susceptible to to that. Also, your animals, your pets are susceptible to cova 19. Are they carriers? I don't know. A lot of people don't have the symptoms, but they're the carrier. And of course, you hear all this propaganda that is not a virus. It's a bacteria s. Oh, I don't know whether it be a virus or bacteria. Either one. You still need protection against it. Now, my advice would be in which, which is pretty, uh, cumbersome. But where The three piece mask with the particular it's and and I think that would be that would be the way to do it, probably.

 

[00:09:49] Allen: Oh, I see you got back up. Yeah, exactly. Okay, Well, if you're gonna have a speech coach, I need to bring about a year and, you know, have have them talk.

 

[00:09:59] Allen: Hey, according to Singapore, 29 you guys are supposed to be barking during a safety podcast

 

[00:10:08] Allen: that goes all of our listeners is well,

 

[00:10:10] Allen: And the horns outside? No, no, it's all good. Thank you. Uh,

 

[00:10:16] Allen: and for all those you know, the Jr was just talking about if you look at historical data, uh, they actually had co vid medication for dogs. Uh, they didn't know whether it was kennel cough or something else. But if you google it, it's one of the oddest things that people look at. You know, it's like where they said, Oh, if you read the back of a Lysol can that, you know, it's for covitz. So is this something that was planned? No. It's like the flu or the cold. You know, you've got different variations. So, you know, these things mutate, they change. Uh, So you want to use your best?

 

[00:10:48] Allen: Exactly. The only that. But they do fight against what you're fighting against. They also have ways of being immune to any medicines or whatnot. That's pretty scary, but I just think because of, um, the media that more people are aware of what's going on because there's been viruses and diseases that kill thousands and thousands of people. Francis, that disease called the Vietnam War a lot of people. Yeah, that was a virus. I think that was a virus. Somebody started. But anyway, uh, talking about Allen the safety guy and, uh, professionals in the safety field, right. We'll be back with life of a safety professional with Allen the safety guy and just a moment. Safety reports is a powerful mobile solution to help streamline all aspects of safety at the work site. The wraps ranged from inspections, toolbox talks, JSC s incident reporting Q R scanning and so much more toe learn. Maura about safety reports mobile solutions go to Allen Woolford dot safety hyphen reports dot com toe book a live demo or register for one or all of their free mobile applications. That's Allen Woolford, not safety. Hyphen reports dot com and now we return to our podcast with Allen the safety guy. You have problems filling out safety reports, have your relative problems filling out safety reports.

 

[00:12:20] Allen: So, you know, with the safety reports, you're you're talking actually about the safety report, Sapper, actual safety.

 

[00:12:26] Allen: You set your buddy I I I have had a lot of trouble in the field having to carry so many forms with me to fill out. Absolutely. Or now, thanks to sit reports dot com There's a lot of APS out there would help you with your investigations. Your your, uh, ergonomics, uh, questionnaires, your reports, your OSHA three old ones and and all that mawr than I mentioned, uh, to help you in the field. And you could probably contacted by state reports dot com, I

 

[00:13:03] Allen: think. And for those, you know, we were talking about co vid one of the great things that jar just brought up with this not being paper documents, uh, with their scanning app that used through safety reports dot com, you can actually pre program some of the questionnaires and as they come up, say, I'm going up to J. R. And J R is like, Yeah, what happened to your hair? And I'll say, Well, it's it's my natural color. But as he's going through the question,

 

[00:13:33] Allen: flesh flesh is a national natural color. By the way,

 

[00:13:37] Allen: it is e mean, you know, in low light. I could just be a beautiful as anybody longer

 

[00:13:43] Allen: e. I

 

[00:13:44] Allen: mean, Yanni has an impressive head of air. Uh, but, you know, going back to the safety reports I just come into J R Studio Jr says, Hey, stop. You know, we talked about this in Group, and then he says, What I need to do is mask up and with the safety reports app, he could go through the scanning APP scan my badge, my i d hard hat stick or or any other lines or barcodes cure codes. It's on me. It'll pull up my name and information he could say, Okay, have you had any aspirin, Tylenol, anything to reduce the fever? Because I need to check the temperature. Need to be accurate, and then, as you go through it, digitally documents and preserves this information so you can trick track your data and look at historical information and you're talking about hundreds of people. Imagine carrying a ream of paper out in the field right

 

[00:14:36] Allen: and having literally having to go on your bag and look up that person. If in case you were so up on your you're you're filing that you have it all alphabetically, You know, all appetizer and whatnot, which it's probably not the case because you're in it all the time And changing out files and folders or this is just one scan and you're there. It's Well, I mean, it's like a doctor's office, You know, where you go in and they, uh, yeah, get out. You know, I mean something like that.

 

[00:15:05] Allen: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, speaking of doctors offices with everybody taking temperatures, you know, one of the biggest things. And this is one of the funniest complaints I've ever heard. Um, if you look on the side of these temperature probes or the new, uh, green light lasers that they're using, they actually have. I kid you not jr. They shut a site down for using these because they had not given the people taking the temperature or the employees laser safety training. So what they made him do was by laser protective glasses. Think of you know your normal safety glasses. You're Z 87 spoke with laser protective coating, and and then they made him dawn. These glasses say that this is, you know, a laser admitting device on Just pop him in the forehead and someone said, Well, what's the difference between these and the other types of thermometers you have available? And they said the taste. So you've got to be careful. Make sure you're using a temporal thing, not a rectal thermometer. You can't just lean it against the head. Uh, some some of the stuff that air coming up right now, it's kind of well, because one of the things you learn through OSHA Academy, you know, is it You've got a document things, because when you're going through and you're looking at historical data and you're looking at trends and you're doing root cause analysis, you even you have to hold a lot of information. So one of the things that you know a lot of people are concerned about now is if they do get a positive case and they've been recording it, the traceability who was around them, how many people were affected, you know, So there's a lot to a J. R. And I, you know,

 

[00:16:53] Allen: a Yeah,

 

[00:16:55] Allen: and I want to think back to that question. They were asking about you with the mask on the oil rigs and stuff like that. Uh, just in your general knowledge and from what you know, because for for those who don't know J, our is, you know, a hell of a contractor. He's been in the music industry. He's traveled. Do you think people arm or risk on the job site? With all these checks and bAllences in place or more risk, you know, out in the general public

 

[00:17:24] Allen: been somewhat their, uh, what their job status is if it's in an office routine, Yes, uh, War one. If it's out in the open air, I don't know, depending on what your job is, if you're shoveling around the ditch with three other guys, yeah, might want to put it on. Um, if if you're inside of, ah oven excavator or a crane housing, you know, or or a loader housing and you're the only one in there after you disinfect the steering, uh, and whatnot and operating levers, then I don't think you need to wear one. It's like it's like a hard hat when you're inside. You don't need to wear a hard hat if even if you're running a crane you don't need once you step outside that door in that crane, you better done that hard hat. You know what I mean? Um, and I've had situations like that where it's at, It's kind of the same thing. You know, if your, uh, if you're in a room or if you're around in the meeting hall. Uh, yeah, don a mask and don t protect yourself, but protect those around you as well.

 

[00:18:33] Allen: Absolutely, brother. Yeah. And today, you know, there's so many people speculating as what causes it, you know? And and so many people say, Well, if I'm wearing a mask what? I have to stand 6 ft of weight. If I'm doing this, why do I have to do that? And it's just good practice because nobody really knows, You know, with any certainty how this particular one gets around? Uh, yeah, it's scary because, you know, J and J R. And I are, uh, not in our teens anymore. Not physically, Emotionally. We're still developing. Yeah, but you know when when you think about, you know, just asbestos. Uh, from where I'm originally from, in Montana, you know, there's a lot of his best is mining. And so what happened is, while the workers were pretty much taking care of the dust and debris on their pants and jackets. They took it home. Kids hugged on them, not not in their breathing air space. Nothing like that that does come into their lungs, you know? And if you think about it, so many people complaining, saying, Yeah, this this can't be harmful. Uh, you know, if it's a liquid, it hits me. I have to breathe it as to set my lungs. We just don't know. So, you know, use Karen caution because you're gonna have friends or family that's as young as J. R. And I. You know, and and we've been around a lot of things. We definitely don't want to wait. Don't want anybody else.

 

[00:19:55] Allen: And we've done a lot of things that we shouldn't have done because

 

[00:19:58] Allen: e think that zoo really good thing.

 

[00:20:01] Allen: Yeah. In the early days, we did a lot of things we shouldn't have done, like get down in oil, crude oil pits and Andi paint and paint with just regular old mask and breathe in a lot of the fumes. And these were lead paints. Lead based paints is well, so ah, lot of things were done back then that shouldn't have been, uh, in operation, But But we're So not only are we trying to protect ourselves from that, but we're also living, um, breathing animals that have lived through that era. Uh, I'm not bragging about it. I'm just telling you that, uh, nowadays, safety is at the forefront and where it should be. And if if a safety officer tells you to or you are a safety officer and you tell somebody to where their safety glasses, um, you might wanna once you leave, you might want to circle back around and make sure that they were in their safety glass on and again. I think I I talked about this before that, uh, don't have a routine Safety officers have no routines. You don't wanna have a routine. You don't want to show up every Thursday at three o'clock because that's when they're gonna wear the safety glasses. They're gonna buckle their seat belts in the in the construction trucks. They're gonna, you know, have their, uh, safety belts on. Uh, you show up Thursday at three o'clock, and then you show up next Thursday at one o'clock, or you even show up at midnight, and you make sure that they know that you're not a type of person that has a a certain schedule. So e

 

[00:21:34] Allen: agree, brother, that because things with communications today, uh, it's funny. I have my radio on, and I'll set it to scan and I'll be walking through the plant. You'll hear, uh, blue eyes, blue eyes, You know, they make a name for safety and something. Yeah, it's so funny because you start seeing people, you know, adjust this, adjust that, but

 

[00:21:54] Allen: it comes to green hash marks. Yeah.

 

[00:21:56] Allen: You know, you were talking about safety glasses year. I got a quick question for you. So a trend I've seen this bugs me to no end. I mean, it just absolutely pisses me off. Um, we have got today where a lot of companies subcontract their work to temporary labor. Um, not that I'm against temporary labor's. A lot of them, you know, get hired on after 60 90 day period. Uh, but what we're finding with some of these agencies, and I don't know if you've ever seen this, you know, in your travels and doing what you've done, But we're We're instructing them. Hey, you gotta have thes e 87. You gotta have side protection stuff. A lot of companies, they're getting away from this by saying, Oh, all these lenses, air polycarbonate and we're gonna get in these side shields. And we have a company a couple of years back that were specifically you know, they say, Okay, we're gonna verify that these air appropriate for the hazards and all this And they were doing a training thing. And the guy had a pair of shields on the side that he slipped onto his glasses and he said, Let me let me take this and then jammed. I mean, literally jammed a nail right through the side because it was just rubber. And he said, But it fits the standard, you know, or in your travels and your experiences. Have you seen where people would try to bypass the safety thing out of just wanting to save money and say, Oh, this meets the standard?

 

[00:23:28] Allen: Yes, yes, yes, I have. I have had people that tell me that their prescription glasses for safety glasses and I said, Okay, that's fine. But I'll tell you what, I will buy you a pair of safety glasses that are prescription, and I'll pay for him. And they're like, OK, see, they're all about. So I think it's like, you know, they have to go down again. Another pair of glasses. They gotta sit in the share, get, you know, get the doctor to look at their eyes and go through them lenses. It's in No way can anybody remember what number they were, you know? S So what do you think? Is this better? Is this better? I don't know. It could be a drink, you know? Let me think about it. You've got a beer, you know, but but it I I have Yeah. So many. So we usedto sell safety glasses. Who are? We had a safety products store, and we sell safety glasses. Polycarbonate safety glasses. We also sold side shields and all that side shields were probably carbon it. So, uh, it's and and I give me a pair of side shields and give me a pair of safety glasses with side shields on it. I'll pick the ones that are built that way. Uh, because the side shields are not worth a rob. I'm just saying that, you know, but but it will get you through like a botia was to come out. Bless. Their hearts are so special. OSHA was to come out and inspect. Uh, do a walk through and see the side shields that walk around on my go. Okay, good. That's good. But maybe in a safety officer, I will walk through, and I go, uh, would you be interested in a prescription pair of glasses, you know, with with the psychos built on, um, on they go and nine times edited. And I go, Yeah, if I pay

 

[00:25:18] Allen: for him, you know, absolutely. Just fall apart. Just something you just said. So the other day on Facebook, and I thought this was really important.

 

[00:25:27] Allen: Facebook. It's gotta be true.

 

[00:25:28] Allen: Well, absolutely. And that's why I'm doing that. Because I want to use a reference point outside of Wikipedia that everybody understands. So where you just use the term safety officer? Uh, for those two listeners off of Facebook that got into the big disagreement on the safety professional website. Uh, what had happened, Jim? You you weren't part of that conversation. I didn't see you in there. Uh, but probably 15 to 20 people exploded at the fat where I put down a safe hard half. One of my former hard hats I wore in the construction, said Safety officer on the side and they were just pissed off is not even a good word. They were just throwing information out there, saying, What do you a safety cop having just hateful retorts and one of the questions I put up there in response to this, As I said, Have you never heard of the safety officer? Because, you know, they're thinking safety cop safety, please. And, uh, they said no. And I was like, you know, under government contracts, I said they have a position that's called a safety officer. And I said, You know, look at all these acronyms. You gotta CSM CSH Oh, you know, construction safety and health Officer. I said that that's built in that acronym, and that's what they call them on. Ah, lot of the government sites were like, Oh, I didn't know this, Um, you know, and and so it's amazing you and I will use the same terminology we worked on government projects. We've got this in from

 

[00:27:04] Allen: someone called Somewhere called HSC Leader. Someone recalled, Uh safety project safety coordinator or or sure, yeah, safety officer, that Zeti cop, whatever you wanna call it, but because

 

[00:27:18] Allen: they think of it, is that cop mentality not knowing. Well, that's a D o D. Terminology. Just like you said. You get HSC. You know, uh, h s So all these things, But

 

[00:27:28] Allen: we'll do we write tickets? Yeah. Government contracts. You bet. Yeah. Matter of fact, it zits commended by by, uh, contractor, if you do write a ticket, uh, I believe and and not to get off subject. But I believe that training is the most important thing. Whether it be a you don't have your heart hand on because it fell off while you were extenuating. Circumstances happen. Well, okay, that's cool, man. Thank you for telling me that. Now pick it up and put it back on. So we're so we're all on that safety hat, You know what I mean?

 

[00:28:05] Allen: Absolutely. You know, and And with that, with that photo, it triggered so many responses for people that were just, you know, they hated the term. They didn't understand that. You know, on some contracts, officers were called different things. Managers. They're called different things, But it was interesting to see how many people became so volatile that have been in safety 15 16 20 years, but had never seen a C s h o r, you know, ever heard of, you know, some other tasking thing. So, in safety, what was one of the worst names you were ever called?

 

[00:28:40] Allen: I can't say that you can't spell it. Just spell it. Okay. S O B o E. Oh, yeah. They I've had I've had the one that you had no problem. You could come out to the platform, but stay out of the way. You know when I go Yeah, I'm getting your face, buddy. No, I e I apologize for that, uh, animosity coming Hostility, But talk about

 

[00:29:08] Allen: it in group. Yeah, everything back.

 

[00:29:11] Allen: I am jr kitchens and I'm a safety guy. Hi, Jr.

 

[00:29:16] Allen: Hey. Thank you, Jay. For sure. E,

 

[00:29:19] Allen: get a coin. You get a coin now?

 

[00:29:22] Allen: Uh, 10 years. We'll address

 

[00:29:25] Allen: E man a safety officer for 10 years. Uh, no, but, uh, it's very important that people understand, but And if there's folks out there that obviously hopefully, you know, turning in their their work uniforms or safety uniforms, which is pretty much the same thing. If your safety guy a good safety guy, you better have your work clothes on if you're gonna be a safety guy because you gotta crawl around on your belly or crawl around on your back and make sure all the equipment is safe. We do that. Not for ourselves. We do that for the people that are working there, our job, and correct me if I'm wrong. But this is 2020. Our job is to make sure that people stay alive now. And

 

[00:30:09] Allen: people, I think we have to call them, you know, non gender specific.

 

[00:30:14] Allen: Whatever. E. I'm with you there, Mr Non Gender specific. Just saying that she Yeah, sometimes I'll sit down and pee. Sometimes I will, just to know what it's like. Oh, my God, Yes. I think I know what you're going through. I just sat down anyway, um, I don't know. I have no idea. I think it started with Think it started with the diapers and the P pads. I'm not sure the paint paint champs were pretty good at the time, but I get that aftertaste of paint chips and it's just not right. Safety is safety is very important. Especially if you're looking after training, which, uh oh, she academy is a pretty good deal. Will be talking about that here, coming up. But I think that if if you're planning on being a safety officer, uh, listen to its entirety of this podcast because we're going to tell you what it's like to be a safety officer. There's good days, and there's bad days, right? Good days and bad days. There's a day that you got to go out and call somebody down, you know? Hey, you wanna come down out of that that catwalk and come down? I want to talk to you. And they might have a They might be in construction. They might be plastered on the side of the building, which means their whole bucket of plastic is gonna be ruined. They got to remix it. So they got an attitude when they come down out of that rack and they go what? Like that? Like they got it. Really? Attitude him and sit down. I got work to do. Yeah, well, I know you dio, but how come you know we're in a safety Leonard. How come you're not? I could be not strapping in. And when When you go down on getting your race car, do you strap in? We'll hook you, man. That's different. That's not different. When you put your life on the line, you gotta have some protection. You got to know for sure before you go in that you're going to be safe in all aspects of construction or or whatever. It might be marine application. Whatever it might be. You have to be safe. Eso were in the safety belt is just the way to do it. Safety Bella l e don't need away your heart that when Europe that high. But, uh, I just I just tell him I go, man, you need to strap in. Well, we gotta move around. I was on a job because structure job down in Nashville, Nashville, Tennessee. And I was a formal on the job. Uh, well, I just meant that I was a sheep herder, you know? Pretty much, You know, I wasn't any good, actually. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit on. I made sure everybody wore there. There are, uh, Leonard's when they were up on the on the side of the building. It was refurbishing, doing an emphasis work on the on the walls of Holiday Inn. And what they had to do was put up expanded metal. First, they had the mud wall put up, expanded mental and then and then put, uh, um, Styrofoam over the top of that and I called office. I don't know what that stood for that which is acronym, but yes, E uh, that's exactly how, uh, that's what I thought. Yeah. And? And these guys were upon, and I had to call them down. You guys need to wear your safety gear. Your your your harnesses ball retention here. Well, we can't. We gotta move around a lot, I said. Okay, well, let me think about it. So I thought about it. I thought, Well, if a guy falls with the inertia that usually people have when they fall, uh, if you weigh £180 that's gonna triple. Maybe maybe quadruple. Maybe more than that when you fall. That's how much. Um, that's how much weight that cable has to hold. So I went through the math and double that and then got him hooks And then they hooked to the cable and they could run maybe 56 ft without without re hooking. And and that that made him happy because they were had more. A little more freedom. Ah, guy climbing a tower has to Leonard's and they're pelican hooks, big pelican hooks. And at no one given time, do they ever have both hooks off that ladder. There's always at least one hook to the Atlanta on. As they go up, they hook. Then they unhook. They hooked in the unhook, and that's that's the way it goes. There was a guy that that I knew I roughneck with that climbed a tower every now and in some unluckiest guy that draws the short straw has to go up to the crown, which is the top of the rig and their shivs up there. The little, uh, round wheels that guide the cables and there's like 10 cables on A. Actually, it's one cable, but it ends up Looks like 10. When you have the traveling blocks, it goes over the crown, and those ships have to be greased, so some unlucky guy has to climb up 125 ft to the top. And and, uh, and Greece, The crown now normally standard procedure S O P. Is a You climb up through that hatch, closed it behind you. This guy didn't, and he backed up toe look at his job, and he fell through that hole. He didn't stop until he hit the floor. Um, he died instantly. And one, uh well, I could get into more detail, but he was dead. Uh, and, uh, because because he was content. He didn't. He was wasn't new by any means. So when you've been around the rig while or or anything for that matter, been around the ditch digging for a while or if you're an excavator operator, you tend to forget about the safety routines. Like like the stepping, stepping up the whole. You know, um, if you dig a hole 5 ft, you've got to start stepping it so the so the wall doesn't came in. If it's air force, it's 4 ft. So, uh, you have to follow step by step by step, otherwise you start hurting people. So safety is after a while, you're gonna feel like you're interfering in something. What you are. You're interfering between life and death. And they think the person that is working the double gender person, whatever is is not not on that wavelength that you're on. They think that, uh oh, here comes the pain in the butt. You know, uh, is gonna shut. Do you think

 

[00:37:08] Allen: that's because of what they see on the job site or training? Do you think it's a training thing? Do you think it's just like, you know, this is what everybody else does, so it must be safe. And the reason I asked this I don't know If you, you know, have you haven't worked in Nashville? I don't know if you heard about that 16 year old Enriquez boy that died back in June. Uh, fell off scaffolding. You know, the scaffolding that the entire structure was 120 ft. No fall restraint, no harness, no nothing. Right. So on something like that, would you say that these guys take these risks because of lack of good training? It's just monkeys.

 

[00:37:45] Allen: Exactly. Know the training is there? Probably. I don't know that, but you get a good old boy that runs a construction job. You don't care about safety. because safety is gonna slow you down. But I'm also gonna save your lives and money for every, uh, lt l that you have lost lost time. Lt a that you have l t a lt ls trucker. But anyway, uh, then e don't know. Yeah, thanks a lot. Appreciate That's all we need to dio. But if a guy is new on the job younger and dealing with the older guys that are on the job, um, it's either young guy or no guy is going to get hurt. The guys just on the job is going to get hurt. A newbie or a guy that's been on the job for a while is going to get hurt because they get, uh, complacent or content in their job and and they just they're working with movement now. They don't They're not paying attention. So it's the young guy that's watching the old guy. There's a good don't You don't need to dio uh and he doesn't do it and he gets killed.

 

[00:38:56] Allen: Well, the younger safeties these days, they're saying that the reason so many workers are getting hurt complacent is because the older safeties, uh, whether it's myself you know somebody in our age group? Um, you know, they're saying, Well, I've tried for years. They have never listened. So they stopped trying and, you know, they blame it on complacency. Or, you

 

[00:39:19] Allen: know, that's a safety guy. That's a safety. Guys fault. You never give up. You never give up.

 

[00:39:25] Allen: Is it? After they've been in the industry for so long that they just quit trying on This is one of the reasons when I was doing safety, I didn't want to stay in one spot too long. Uh, because I've actually seen on some job sites where they had the same guy day and day out. You know, 567 years. And it's like, Oh, I forgot my glasses today, man. I'll get him next time. I'm just going through this

 

[00:39:47] Allen: Now. Here's the power. You got a pair of my

 

[00:39:49] Allen: part. What had happened? It's like

 

[00:39:50] Allen: always my pa always have a I always have a paramount pocket. Everybody doesn't, but I always have a paramount pocket repair in the truck. Well, I think what they're

 

[00:39:58] Allen: saying, those you just become such good buddies and not to be a cop. That's not that you know that's not do, but, ah, lot of these new safeties. They're coming in saying three old guys have have lost the ability toe lead. You know, they're trying to manage the the catastrophes and incidents now and track near misses, but they're not leading in preventing them. So

 

[00:40:21] Allen: proactive. Yeah, exactly. Uh, probably I never give up on anybody. I'll give them three chances, and then I'll go to management. Um, I never go to management unless they just won't listen. Then I'm gonna management. Go. Hey, I'm having trouble with this guy. Would you get him in the office and tell him, you know, he's got to pay attention, Uh, and and that. And that's the way it does, if if that doesn't work out, you know, But I never Maybe that's just I'm a solo acting that I know you care. Obviously. You care. You work very hard at training. Yeah, just probably dog guys in no hair, but I don't mean nothing bad by

 

[00:41:03] Allen: that. No, no, no, it's OK. I put rain X on this morning.

 

[00:41:06] Allen: So without the rain, next

 

[00:41:09] Allen: wouldn't do me any good,

 

[00:41:10] Allen: does it? Do you any good? Is it like It's like anything

 

[00:41:14] Allen: it slides off faster. It doesn't beat up that turtle wax. For some reason, I do that Birds and fly over and just dropped. Crap. Yeah,

 

[00:41:23] Allen: absolutely. Right. Next is the way to go. I use that on my windshield. Mhm.

 

[00:41:29] Allen: Oh, okay. So you never used it on safety glasses?

 

[00:41:33] Allen: Yes, I have. Absolutely thank you. But I think there's a new I think it's a different product. They call it. I'm not sure, but seriously, there is Ah, a a Rennick style that, you know, resist. Um, by the way, safety glasses do not stop anything from coming through. They'll slow it down, but they but they won't stop it. It's called resistance. It's called resistance. Not not stopping the anything, but I was in, uh, I was down in Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee, down there. And, uh, I've been

 

[00:42:10] Allen: there. I've been

 

[00:42:10] Allen: through. There's, uh there's a couple of brothers down there that we're used to. They made safety gloves and safety glasses. They didn't make him down there. They assembled them on, uh, they're made China, but they assembled assemble them in a little little warehouse that they had and, uh, and they they literally took a nail gun and set this prayer glasses and advice and shot a nail through it, and it stopped halfway through. Now, depending on where you where you're safe glasses on your face, they're gonna bruise you up a little bit, but it's going to stop that. It's gonna slow that nail down now, is it gonna push the glass lens up against your I, uh, not leaving the housing, of course, but and then maybe a puncture, your lead or or something? I don't know, but, uh, it's, uh it's to prevent ah, seriously accident. But it really doesn't stop. I don't I don't know when people say that Did it? It z you know, it's where these and you won't get hurt. That's Bs. But

 

[00:43:23] Allen: yeah, that's where my superman boxers, because nothing

 

[00:43:28] Allen: you wear those when you jump over the caution tape

 

[00:43:32] Allen: I have on occasion. There was one time I mixed him up with a wonder woman set that got thrown in during laundry.

 

[00:43:38] Allen: About that hurts.

 

[00:43:39] Allen: I don't talk about that often because of the shrill sound

 

[00:43:43] Allen: you do when you wear Dogo.

 

[00:43:46] Allen: Well, brother, I guess we'll go ahead and end this segment and, you know, get ready for after this. Yeah, Jared are gonna get together. We've got some interesting people coming up on the next couple of weeks. We're actually gonna talk. Thio Drew 51 of the Yeah, HR guy, we got Dustin Thurbert. Uh, that's gonna talk about some of the things you know, We're safety people are, like, how come I'm not getting hired? What are they looking at? We're gonna be reaching out to Dana night. Dana night is a safety manager that actually contracted co vid 19 while on a construction site. Uh, yeah. I mean, they were wearing full mass sanitation of sight everything. So we're gonna talk to him. Hey, just recovered last month, and he's just taking some down time right now, but we'll be talking with him. Uh, Shane Oliver gsp be talking with him. He's another Army. Veterans say HMAS myself, former medic. But we're gonna talk to him about how he came up to the trades, got into safety, and now the struggle, Because where people said, Hey, you're tradesmen. We could use that more than the safety. The difficulties of having a college degree, a great vast background and education and still having a difficult time and finding work.

 

[00:45:10] Allen: Awesome. We got some good good guests lined up. I would also like to thank. Of course. Uh um, Safety records, dr. Safety reports dot com and OSHA academy, uh dot com eso any training, right? Any training you might need? Uh, Oshie Academy is a place to go, and it's free. We'll be back with life of a safety professional without the safety guy. And just a moment. OSHA definitions provide what a qualified person must have. Recognize, decrease certificate or extensive experience and the ability to solve the subject problems at the work site. This is the reason why OSHA Academy is a leader in developing some of the best in the safety arena. Allen the safety guys Shane, Oliver, Michelle Patel, Andrew five are but a few of the thousands of safety professionals, managers and program directors who've completed OSHA Academy training, adding to their professional alphabet soup of acronyms. And if you're not familiar with these industry professionals, OSHA academies computer based training is used by students in all U. S. Military branches and members of NASA. Whether you're looking to obtain your occupational health and safety, professional or construction, health and safety professional credentials. OSHA Academy can cover it all. Not only does their free training prepare you in the basic safety programs, it's also the keystone for many. Advancing ended decreed programs offered by Columbia Southern University on official learning partner. So if you're ready to climb out from under the pile and be a leader in safety, go to www ocean train dot org's and begin the training that will launch your career and qualify you to set the world of safety on fire. Um, after you apply for appropriate hot permits, of course, that's www OSHA train dot org's. And now we return to our podcast with Allen the safety guy. Yeah,

 

[00:47:14] Allen: and that That's one of the things you can't be. You know, a lot of people say I gotta pay this. Pay that. Yeah, And for those air listening, especially our top two fans, uh, myself getting started with OSHA Academy. I mean, when I put down, I graduated. The people that hired me for no sip contract said, Oh, our last guy, you know, was OSHA academy grad. So before you rub your nose of what you think is dirt. Make sure it's not the coal holding the diamond.

 

[00:47:43] Allen: Wow, I'm just a old chunk of coal, but I'll be a diamond someday. Thank you so much, Allen. Sure appreciate it, buddy. Being here on the show with you.

 

[00:47:52] Allen: All right, brother? I can't wait for our next episode,

 

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