Safety FM with Jay Allen
Lori Frederic
January 21, 2020
Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay speaks with Lori Frederic, The Movement Ninja. Lori discusses how her journey started, how she discovered occupational health and safety. Enjoy it all here, on The Jay Allen Show! For more information on Lori go to
This show is brought to you by safety Broadcasting Live from the Safety Focus Moment Headquarters in Orlando, Florida Coming to you live from the safety FM studios. This is the Jay Allen show. This is your show, America, where we talk a little bit about everything. We focused a lot on safety, but I want to talk a little bit about everything with you. I am your host, Jay Allen in Boy, am I excited for us to get this whole thing started. Thank you for making the transition with me as we moved from the safety FM flagship show to now what we're calling the J. Allen Joe.  It's been a very excited times over the last few years as we've been able to do this together, and this is going to be a new endeavor that we're going to enjoy as we go down this path. I really appreciate all the e mails and texts and phone calls that I've received about this change, and you putting your faith in me on being able to pull this off. You'll notice is some changes right away with the show. We are still broadcasting live on Safety FM. So that's not gonna change.  We are still on the safety FM podcast network as well. Like I said, from the very beginning, this is your show. So we're gonna make this whatever you want it to be as we move forward. Surrounding us. Off right from the top on our very first show of the J. Allen Show is Laurie Frederick, also known as the Movement Ninja. Laurie is the owner and lead consultants off balance, biometrics and loves to disrupt the conventional approach to injury prevention or knowledge of human movement in biometrics complements the world of safety and health and gives the opportunity to share new ideas and bold solutions to save the world from injury in pain.  So, Laurie, welcome to the show. So, Laurie, I have to tell you, I want to have you on because I had started to see you everywhere online, which is which is a good thing to be. And then I noticed that you were inside of the safety space to some extent to And then, of course, when I saw the moniker of the movement, Ninja was like course yesterday. So I How did it start? How did everything start for you? Hoagies, Um, just a couple years back. Ah, I actually came into the physiology, strength and conditioning field out of college.  So I went to school for that, and my mom was a massage therapist, encouraged me to be a massage therapist. And those two things kind of molded where my journey went as faras initially, just Hey, I can make it work out, and then I could fix you. You know, I can make you sore and then I can help you with a massage. It was a great, um, little marketing circle that I had and started off on my own Real early is my am. My dad's a big entrepreneur, and it was kind of in my blood, I think.  And from there I stayed in the private space for a while, uh, and figured out before and after reconstruction surgeries that I can help people prep for them and then help them after their insurance runs out on the post end. On that rehab and rehab in rehab. And it really just, um, raised a new level to wanting to learn a whole bunch of new stuff. And I think That's where I get out on anatomy all the time. If anyone wants to do that, I'm a game. So So this is how you decide that?  Also in the movement, like the movement specialist side is where you're really gonna start pushing. Is this where you start thinking about that, or is it still kind of the medical massage movement? This kind of comes about is you're you're doing more work into it, right? I guess Move, the movement wasn't as intentional then. It definitely waas, um, a part of everything. I just didn't, um, really wrap my head around too much until I just gained a lot of experience and knowledge and then kind of stumbled upon the safety and occupational injury occupational industry.  And things started falling in my lap. And I said, Wow, this is a cool you, um, client base that I can reach a huge appreciation for what blue collar workers do. Um, I just admire their hard work and dedication, and for me to be able now, toe give back and help them out, then that is great. Now, was there something that had happened that you said? This is where you warn to G o. I know that you referenced your mom earlier, but was there a particular reason why you wanted to do?  Was there something else that was kind of like a driving force behind it? That's what this was like. This is the thing that I'm interested in doing. I think it just naturally kept evolving. Um, it's hard to say. I I always think everything happens for a reason. So things just kept going, and then I'm a huge Um, I'm just curious about a lot of things. So when I started, ah started visiting work sites and getting to know about different industries. My first industry to be in was oil and gas, and I just had never realized all that goes into all the work that turns on a light that are, you know, you have to give me more.  I mean, how does this start? How does this call happen? How does this knock on the door occur? This'll happens. Sorry. Um, this I don't know. It was just a, um an opportunity that presented itself to get me in front of oil and gas workers. And then it piqued my interest in a little while later I had a company come to me and say, Hey, um, we really like a, uh, is American business that does this sort of thing and we can't find one, and it's like, Well, maybe I'll start one then, um and that's when I just really ah wanted to dig deeper and get out there and see what these workers are going through because for me Ah, some personal trainer, lady, it's going to tell them how to move and lift.  Um, £135 iron e I had to get some street cred. So really learning the fracking process was, I thought, the coolest thing in the world and getting out my cover alls and getting dirty and talking Thio all the workers and just trying to figure out my favorite thing to ask workers when I got on site is what's most what hurts most. At the end of the day, you can't say feelings. You get away with it at the time. Now, things have a revolving now, but at the time was probably little, uh, little jumpy.  You know, it was something to where I just needed to understand what? Um what's their body doing and going through, and how can I help? So as you start to look down the process when you're going in and starting to have these conversations, especially when you're taking these deep ties into learning out of Frank and all these other things, how are people? How are people getting this information from me? How How is the response that you're getting when you first started having the conversation? Is it Ah, similar to pulling teeth when you're trying to do it?  Or is it a pretty smooth progression as you're going? Um, it depends. Obviously, it depends on my audience. You know, usually the, um, people I call my baby sitters that escort me around. Sites are are great for the information, right, and they're already safety professionals. They're into it. They understand the benefit of me being there, actual boots on the ground that wonder why on earth I'm there, it just takes it. It takes a little bit, um, e just try to break the ice with certain comments or observations, and then they understand that I'm there, help them move better and feel better.  And once that kind of switches over they open up there like Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Hey, I was thinking when we're, you know, loading in, um, catalyst in a certain area. Um, this doesn't feel right. And I'm like, Okay, well, how can we make that feel better or Wow, I don't think there's any real way around that. So how about you just make sure you're lifting super awesome? Maybe try these stretches before or after you do it, and they're like, I never thought of that. This is the JL in jail.  Top safety speakers was created with the sole purpose of helping organizations achieve in sustained safety excellence. Top safety speakers is recognizes North America's most impactful provider of safety. 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Um, and understand where it's coming from? So I'm in the field, But then all the actual training happens when we get everybody, and that gets to be what I call country club style, where it's inside in the rooms. I love it way do country club lifting when everything's clean and provided for us and troubleshooting sort of thing. But I make sure that I'm out, um, in the thick of it all and observing before we teach that. So now roughly what year do you start getting into the field of oil and gas, if you don't mind me asking.  Think I switched into industry stuff 2000 the beginning of 2012. So 2012. So now we're talking almost seven. Going on to eight years now. What have you seen? Track wise? That has changed over that period of time. Track Weiss. I am. Help me. I want to see track. Why? So you started off. I know that probably there was some hesitation at first when people are having the conversations with you. So if you let's say the existing client, it said somebody needs to start this You're going back to this existing client.  I would imagine you already have a reputation about going out there. So how are they a little bit more open to having these conversations with you in alcohol? Most Unsettling Joe's problem. Yeah, most definitely. And And those who have been through my class so ah, lot of, um, a majority of my training goes through all employee training, So we do small. It's small group like 15 people at a time, but we end up going through the hole, um, company and so eventually. Everyone's a couple of the ninja ladies coming back, and you're not ninja lady.  You know, if I say hey, I'm Laurie and they're like, What? I'm like the ninja lady. They go. Yeah, um, but definitely after they um kind of get the initial knowledge. It's easier, uh, for them to add on to it and to be inquisitive and say, Hey, I did try that stretch, and I felt much better. Um, or they'll help out their bodies to and kind of be like, Hey, Bob over there has been walking a little funny. Or, you know, I saw him spots, Jer, you know, the kind of help each other out as well.  So most definitely the trend is that it opens people up more. My whole goal in passion is just to change their mind set of their physical work. I want them to understand that there's opportunities for them to be healthier and be stronger and better at work. You don't have to add on an hour the gym after before your shift, you can have lots of heavy things to lift it. Work just left and right. And you got rocking legs. So so How does that conversation go? Because you knew that there were the people that were They call gym rats that go out after after work before work.  And there they have to go work out because that's the right thing to do. That's what they're trained mentally. So how does the conversation go of Well, you're here. You already have this heavy stuff that's around you. Maybe you can use some of this. So how do you How do you have that mining shift for them? How do you kind of give them the example to a system to to see what you're saying? Well, for sure, there's not many gym rats that air in the blue collar world.  There's definitely some that will additionally go on workout before and after, and they kind of get what I'm what I'm talking about. Um, it's the ones that have really only driven by the gym or Noah. Jim, Um, it's one of those things that I just start talking to him and having a conversation with the ones that are hesitant and just say, Hey, you know what? If you lift this £50 bag of concrete better and a couple more times. It's just like a squat in the gym. Sometimes that translates, and they're like, Hey, I feel more comfortable because I know how to do a proper squad.  I'll go to the gym and based on what they've learned from training clashes. So I have to tell you, When I was doing research on you, I also discovered that you're an instructor for rock tape. Now I could tell you that I see it quite a bit. The rock table. When I watched professional sports and things along those lines, he explained to me and the audience members, what is the benefit of Rock Day? Because I'm I mean, I see it. I just don't understand it. So I'm sure you could explain a lot better than I'll be ableto look fine Research?  Almost definitely. I mean, rock tape is just another brand of kinesiology tape. Kinesiology tape is kind of, ah, elastic. Therapeutic tape is what they call it. It's a stretchy enough tape that when it's on your skin, it moves with you. So it's not uncomfortable, and the way that it works is that touch effect on the skin. So my best analogy is that um, if you go through the process, it, uh, well, don't actually go through it. But, you know, if you banged your elbow on something really hard, um, after you're done cursing, one of the first thing you'll do is you'll grab it and you'll rub it.  So, um, that touch on the skin? Actually, the signals travel faster to the brain than the pain does. It kind of scrambles the pain signal. Um, so that touch, um, can be, um, given by the tape. And then the tape is great because it stays on for like 3 to 5 days. So in an area where maybe you've bumped your elbow, you kind of make an X where it hurts the most. It stays on 3 to 5 days through showers and everything. We definitely encourage showering, especially in blue color worlds, so it can get wet.  And it's it's a fun. The science behind it is super geek out neurological pain science. But the way of putting it on is really not so much science. It's easy there. It's very low risk. So in the workplace, um, and as kinesiology tape is a first aid treatment, it's not a medical treatment. So it's a really great thing for the small little things that are annoying, but nothing big enoughto head to the clinic for but black tape. If I remember correctly, they're big in the CrossFit spaces were huge.  They stood, Yeah, they're brand started a lot in the CrossFit world and then, which really helped them become what they say more than a taping company there, a movement company. So, um, that helps them understand that tape does more than just pain. Relief and swelling really assists in awareness of movement and performance. So that's where it goes to from there. But then, um, you know, everyone saw kinesiology tape in the Olympics and Carrie Walsh and the volleyball, and still so many people think it's just for athletes.  It's great, it's just for cross fitters. But I like to just remind people that if you have a body and kinesiology tapes for you, and rock tape is such a great company in their passion for movement knowledge and translating that to the athlete, to the regular person and from my love, the blue collar world to help them with their performance there. So what expired you dollars then wanted to become an instructor for Rocket. Oh, it was total fortuitous. It was another one of those moments that it just so happened that the medical director, Steve Capobianco, lived in the Denver South Denver area, as do I. And we it was happenstance that the gym that I was going to work out at, um, he was part owner in.  I started talking to other people about what I do and learning more about rock tape. This initially, I, um I would see kinesiology tape and I would be like, I don't get it. What does it do? Someone's like, Well, it holds my kneecap in places like that doesn't make any sense. Um, and the science has really changed on it. That's another, uh, rabbit hole to go down. But I I met Steve and we just started talking and I had asked him, I'm like, Do you realize that kinesiology tape fits into this occupation world really well, and they just hadn't thought of the health and safety angle of rock tape.  So I'm I teach for rock tape, but I am specific, too, the health and safety industrial world. So I teach the course is that air for safety professionals or the O Tease or the Pts? Or anybody who's on site already doing great early intervention work and then helping them understand how to use rock tape in that world? This is the JL in jail. This episode of the broadcast on the podcast is brought to you by arrow, the next generation air reduction in mitigation system. For more information, go to arrow hp dot com, and we are back with Lori Frederick the Safety Balance Ninja from balance byo dot com.  Right now, if somebody's interested in actually going through one year courses, is it open to the public, or is it only for the private sector? Or how does it actually work? Usually, right now, the, um, it's been great to do private classes. Like certain companies, they're big enough to where they can bring in people. Um, you know, anywhere from 20 tow 40 or even had smaller classes of 10. But the private classes have been really successful. It's fairly new, so the public ones are opening up just so hopefully they get some good exposure from this interview, knowing that it's for everybody and anyone interested who's in the safety worlds or occupational health that can understand it more through those classes.  Now, currently, do you have any classes that are coming up for that are open to the public? Um, there's gonna be one in Denver area one or two in the Denver area, and we're just gathering information on everybody's availability. And, ah, what the best time in places to do it. So I would guess, um, hopefully by the second quarter, there's gonna be one in the Denver area. And then if they weren't, if the listeners want to get more information in regards of when the class might actually be scheduled, is there a website order?  They go to your lengthen, or they can go to rock tape dot com and search in education through the, um, health care professional. Ah, world. When you go to rock tape dot com, you can pick if you're a consumer healthcare provider. Um, and with you go through the health care provider, you can get the list of educational classes now, um, anyone can definitely still take a what's called a f m t basic. Ah, for the taping courses. But if you want industry specific then right now, probably the easiest way is to email me and contact me through all either lengthen or my email.  And then we've just started developing a list. And so, as soon as the list gets long enough in a certain area, then we have the glass and then another question for you. When it comes to the private sector stuff, who is your ideal client? Who do you look for? Who's normally the people that you see reaching out to you? That this is a benefit to? I mean, I know across all industries. But would it who is normally the one that reaches out and says this is what we need and they're looking for?  I know you reference oil and gas. Is there any other particular industry that you see a lot of them contacting you? Manufacturing is a big one because they've already ah, lot of companies and especially ones that have such a great safety culture already. Ah, they've got somebody on site and planted that's already doing early intervention work, and they're really wanting to take care of their providers and their employees and find more low cost solutions because springs and strains air always there. Just that annoying problem that add up in a lot of costs.  So, um, yeah, I mean, it is really still broad and the bigger companies that can have, um like I had a refinery client that had a private course that had it for their safety staff. But then also, it's a small town that they're in, and they opened it up to the community of physical therapists and athletic trainers for the local college. And, um, you know, it's definitely ah, highly customized course if you do the, um, private courses, so there's lots of ways to get it done. What's the average length of the class?  I know you said it's customized. What is kind of the the average of when you have the students in there and what do you go go? That it would just to kind of have a basic under the F 20 the basics industry classes or six hours? So it's a full day. It's, um, with a lunch break. Ah is six hours, so there's a lot of hands on, so it's learning the science behind the tape. And then there's a lot of hands on, like how do you? You know, different parts, different aches, pains addressing understanding the OSHA guidelines on first aid versus medical treatment is another one to hit on.  But really so much his hands armed. Because as soon as you start, um, getting experience with the tape Ah, things fly along real quick. It gets easy, so it's not. Somebody's gonna come into the class and watch somebody else do the work. It's gonna be your hands on your doing it It's not just sit back, relax. Let me see what I together most definitely. Yeah, you can watch a bunch of videos on and learn a bit, but it's definitely something to wear once you start cutting the tape measuring the tape, you know, going under in in the industry world.  And if you're on site, it's not like athletics. And, you know, you know, if you get across bitter and you have your table out there just like who's, you know, slip off their shirt, no big deal, and you get to wherever you need to get to. Definitely in occupational settings, there's, you know, office thio the field. If I'm in a construction trailer and I need tape, someone's shoulder. We you just get good at going under the shirt and figuring out those sorts of things. So that's worth teaching all the tricks and tips about it.  Do you? Not yet. That is common. Somebody just pulling off a shirt in a construction site. I think. Yeah, I know. It's, you know, way aren't always provided the most intimate of settings I know in manufacturing and companies that already have it, and they have great rooms and areas to do that with. But my specialty is usually on the fly and ah, figuring it out as we go. Laurie, If the audience wants to find out more information about you working, they go, uh, balance. Byo dot com is where a lot of my contact information and just information about what I provide on my contractor's where we are national so anyone can go there.  Ah, social media is a great way. My YouTube channel. I refer people to a lot in a lot of smaller companies. Actually, I have a wellness playlist so they can use my wellness exercises a cz their own. Oh, no, no more. What is he exactly? Does the will display lists you know roughly. Oh, my goodness, that's my most fun thing, really. Is just, um, wellness exercises and sin tricks for stretches, maybe workouts that help you perform better. It works. So like I did one on ladders and understanding how.  If anyone's done Christmas lights lately, if you're up and down your ladder a lot, your calves are gonna get sore, and sometimes that leads to knee injuries. So understanding how toe prep and post ah, stretch and relieve your legs after being up a down on the ladder all day. So then that's a wellness exercise or your next bothering you. How do you understand how toe kind of self massage your neck to help with your neck or shoulder pain? So give the website one more time. That way they can actually find the playlist of more information about balance.  Byo dot com is my website and just youtube dot com, and Laurie Frederick is my YouTube channel, and they go together. I'm right in the middle of integrating everything to put it all on the Web sites of fun, little technical, um, challenge you could probably find, especially during this time of the year we're trying to get all that stuff. Yeah, Yeah, There's so much, you know, time you're like, Oh, holidays. You know, I could get us so much stuff done and then yeah, And then and then life.  Well, Laurie, I really do appreciate you coming on today. I appreciate the invite, and I'm happy that you asked me because I've definitely listened to a couple of your episodes in. A lot of my admired safety colleagues have been on this show, so I am grateful to be included in the company of Great People America. This brings this episode of the J. Allen Show to an end. Thank you for being a listener because we couldn't do this without you will be back with another episode of the J. Allen Show.  Before you know it, I have been your host, Jay Allen. Goodbye. For now, the views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those of the host and its guest and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or physician of the company. Examples of analysis discussed within this podcast are only examples. 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