Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay speaks with Francene Scott Diehl.
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[00:00:00] : this is this show is brought to you by safety. FM Well, hello and welcome to another J Allen show. Hopefully everything is good in grand inside of your neck of the woods? So here we are already mid september I'm telling you, I'm so amazed on how quick the time is flying by this year. I just don't know where it's all gone Anyways, let me not get into too many things and get distracted about things that are going on and let's start talking right away what I have for you here today, which I really think you're going to enjoy. I actually got to sit down and speak with francine scott. Dr francine scott received her PhD from the University of indiana of pennsylvania and safety sciences. Her masters of public health degree from the University of South florida and her bachelor's of Science degree in Engineering and Technology, occupational safety and health concentration from the Murray State University. Dr scott has over 25 years of professional safety experience and is featured and safety journals and publications that has been presented at many national safety industry events. So today we're going to sit down and talk to Dr scott. She has something that she has recently done that. I really think that you're going to enjoy. Sit back and take a listen to the conversation between dr francine scott and myself here on the G allen show J show streaming now on safety S. M dot life. I normally ask the very simple question is normally how I start off most of these things. How did this whole journey start for you? How did you decide that safety was where you wanted to go into? I started safety the traditional route, you know, I enter university thinking I was going to be an architect but as you know you took most students take a lot of course is in the construction group because architects generally deal with the construction of buildings and I was in that building and a professor by the name of doctor linda box. Hopefully she's listening, hopefully she's still in safety, she may be retired. Um I took a course and that was really what led me down the path to safety. She was like your natural, we had to do a project in class where we defended a chipper um it was a chipper injury, you know the little how they kind of just chip put, they make mulch out of it. Um it was an injury where I got fictitious lee obviously case study where a guy actually got amputated um due to going inside of a chipper and we had to defend whether it was the guy's fault or whether we thought the company bears some responsibility. Now it's funny how the mind works because I go back to that project and it's like okay, was I really trying to lawyer on the side of the employee um and could I have easily have been a lawyer um possibly but I was really passionate about the fact of you know, I kept getting stuck on the why why did this happen? You know what could we have done differently. And that is really what led me into safety a case study, nothing magical. I had never heard of the profession, nothing magical just that. And she suggested I take another course. Um it was actually another course by another female who was a visiting instructor. Uh she's now a doctor in Safety to dr nancy Saint Hilaire. Haven't seen these people in years since I left the university, but they were the first to women and safety that I've ever seen. And so that was my journey. Well, I mean and that's interesting because you do bring up women in safety which now finally, finally after years and years and years it's becoming a popular scene, you're being able to see women in safety where let's just be realistic at a certain point during the journey, it was kind of like the Good old boy network. It was you had to know some guy to kind of get you in and you have to get used to back then how the guys would talk and all that kind of stuff. So as you went through that process and you're going into this, I'm sure you've seen some odd stuff. So how did that go for you? So you know what you bring up an interesting point and I did do a podcast earlier in this year about the lack of representation and safety lack of representation there. We women make up 22% of the profession right now. The growth in the future is not as, you know, if we get to 30% we're going to be lucky. And so it still is a very pale and male profession. Um, even for people of color as much as the workforce is browning up. We still haven't really tip the scales and really um produced a lot of diverse safety leaders And so you still run up against that. But I grew up in a family of kind of tough people. Um, you know, I would, I'm named after my dad. So I'm a daddy's person to some degree. He owned a construction company, he was a general contractor. Um, he's 86. Yeah, yeah, he's 86 now and I do give him credit, you know, because I have a, I have, my sister works in safety to blood sisters. We both went to Murray State. I started down the path. I'm older than her. She ended up coming to Murray, which was several states away. And so she's in safety nonetheless disclaimer that you're older, but you look so you know, my dad never told us, you know, like you there are jobs you can't do. I went on a construction site as a kid. Um, and so I was already inside of the construction family, so to speak. You know, everybody knew my dad, but it still was people who didn't care, you know, and so you're coming out there and their perception of you is still like, okay, you're a little girl, you know. But my dad was always very powerful with his words, you can be whatever you want to be. You know, there are no limits to you. And I still think that there is some of that going that we need to inspire women leaders and girl leaders um, towards our profession. But if you could see it, you can be it. And so me seeing dr linda bach, me seeing uh dr nancy saying hello, that's a big deal because imagine the number of people who are in safety school and they don't see any women in their program and that's a big deal. So I think representation matters. And so for me, I don't know, maybe it was kismet, maybe it was serendipity, maybe it was the stars aligning, maybe it was the universe God however you want to put it. But that is what led me into safety. I saw women doing it. I knew nothing about the profession and they thought I was a natural fit and they both encouraged me to take the journey. So you so you take the journey, you start off in the journey, I don't normally like to name places, but I will say that she worked for utility in a big town, we'll go that direction if that's fine and then shortly or during or shortly after that process. Um, you decide that you go into another, another town doing some safety coordination stuff. But then you decided to go back to school. So you know, the school thing I have to ask and then you decided to go to school in, in, in Tampa out of all places. So why, why the return? I mean, and it had been a few years as you decided to go back. So you know, one thing about people, I think, you know, we don't give ourselves enough credit that our life is kind of in quarters and you need to refresh in every quarter, right? You know, it's a big thing if you think about sports that have time, they go back to the playbook. And so I had done safety for a while and I didn't want to believe that I, that that was it. And that was the only tool in my tool belt, you know, a bachelor's degree and some small town experience because I started off in a large utility. I worked there not that long. Then I went to a smaller city. And so what government or public sector safety gives you is the benefit to practice your craft kind of protected ocean is never going to cite a city government. It has to be something way dramatic. Um, I actually at the time something we can talk about now, which it wasn't socially acceptable. I had a family back then too. And so that worked for my life. But when I decided that I wanted to grow up in the profession, I knew that I couldn't just step back in the profession and have people take me seriously. I did get my CSP young too. So I was rare in that too because I've had my CSP almost 20 years. Um I have a sp over 20 years. I've had my CSP 18 going on 19 years and so I had that, but I still wanted to be taken seriously. And what I found is why I went back to Tampa for their public health program is I didn't know enough about health. You know, I thought I knew some stuff about safety and held and I could tell you the nuts and bolts of safety. But as we talk about things like the pandemic was endemic. All this toxicology of different things, diseases, illnesses, things that people, chronic injuries and illnesses and exposures. You really needed that medical background and that was not something that the bachelors prepared me for. So for me it was easy to say, you know what if I'm going to play the long game in this really safety and public health should be together like they are now they're in a marriage now, even Harvard has a degree with both married. Um, but they should have been married back in the day because we're responsible for people's health. So we give people tools to talk about the engineering controls and exposures, but we don't really educate them on the health and how, you know, being at work at least could lead to a lot of chronic conditions that impact your health. And so I felt I wanted to be a student that not just say, hey, I'm protecting your health. And somebody said, well, what health are you protecting? Right? I'm not sure, but I know that I, but here, here you go into something that I love and I'll tell you and I'll tell you a few years later after that you go into transportation and I'll tell you, I have a love for the transportation industry. So how do you decide to go from utility, public health? And then all of a sudden, I mean, and you have a huge position inside of the inside of this transportation company. Why the transition to that? Okay, so interesting. Um, you know, and I love transportation and I'm not, I'm not joking when I say that, you know what's interesting about, you know, we live in a country and sometimes I ask myself do we really study the country that we live in transportation is the heartbeat of our nation. You know, it cove, it really brought to like, well it was brought to light when I was a kid in college. Um, there was a blizzard and all our grocery stores ran out of food. So kind of let that sit with you, right? And so let's make sure that we clear up that you weren't in florida. You know, I was in a hurry. I was in Murray Kentucky and we got stuck in the blizzard. And I want to say it was of 1992 or something. And it was around that time, 92 93 it was a blizzard. And for like a week, all the roads were closed and I, I actually got stuck in Murray because I couldn't get back to florida. I couldn't get back to Maryland where my dad was. And so I was stuck and my sister, this was her first year. So it had to be 93 and she cried, there's nothing for us to eat. You caught me just told her you just called her on the show. So she, you know, that was a lesson because I was like my mom was like, y'all have money, why are y'all not eating? Because in her mind, you know, the stories had to have something and we're like, the shelves are empty. And so money didn't matter because the products couldn't get to the people. And so when you look at transportation, just the essence of it, it affords us to be the people, we are, whether it is your amazon package, whether it is your life saving medicine, that comes through the mail, Somebody is moving that. Um, it affords us, even if you go back to prehistoric times. Well, you know, back in the day where we traded, you know, where the people, the early folks they traded along the river, they were, they were in commerce, transportation, you know, they understood that there are some things we need that are up the river and a whole different tribal people and there are some things they need that are down here. And so as you study that transportation was important. Another thing is what job could you work on where there is not a piece of transportation utility, a big piece of us keeping the lights on, keeping the water on, we gotta drive. You know, there is nothing most people can do even if you are taking public transit, somebody is driving you. And so I ended up going into that and always like these rolls and rolls of service. You know, you learn something in my career is I've challenged myself by trying new industries, you know, I'm one of those that to some degree addicted to the life cycle. Like I've published papers on different things but that is what I say, I want to sit as a student and learn and be able to help And so what that did was that opened up my eyes and I was in mass transit. So we were moving people and so yeah people not. And so this thing that you transport can complain that that's the other interesting part about Yes and a part that my resume really doesn't talk about is because your resume can tell everything about you is there was a portion of that business dedicated to the transportation of the disabled community. And so it forced me to be a better safety leader. Now it's responsible for some of the gray hairs I have because you were transporting some of the most fragile people and so I'll make a point about that before I pitch it back to you. There was a time when I grew up that disabled people were invisible. You know they were invisible and so there were no you know access to transportation because the big thing with the A. D. A. They gave access to a lot of people who would literally spend the majority of their lives in a back room like I had mentally disabled relatives that you never saw get out and about like they are doing now. And so there was there is a piece of that idea transport that was so noble and even though it drove me crazy I still got up every day and did that business as well as I could because I understood that that was given mobility and accessibility to people who were completely to some degree invisible to our society now it's common to see autistic Children you know out and about. It's common to see developmentally disabled people. It's common to see that. But there was a time when I was growing up you did not see that. And so again, I was tied to the mission of making transport safe and not just making it safe for the average passenger who can go to a bus stop. But we did a portion of our business where we picked up disabled citizens from their door door to door to get them to, not just to their doctors appointments. Obviously we want to make sure that everybody's getting there, but they did stuff like going to the beach, going on trips. Um and so this was really a noble thing. Now. I like I said I aged in dog years, that's transit is dog year aging, you know, So yes, this is jay allen show you know how sometimes in life you have those moments of should've Coulda Woulda, you know, you know what I'm talking about. It happens all the time to people. So let's talk about that very sensitive subject don't of male pattern baldness. Don't go through that moment where you're going. I should've coulda Woulda let's talk about my friends at keeps two out of three men experience some form of hair loss by the time they are 35 with more than 50 million men in the US suffer from male pattern baldness. You don't have to be one of them think about this. 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That's K E P S dot com slash safety. Remember not everybody has such a beautiful head is mine. So don't be saying coulda shoulda woulda act on keeps right now and we are back on the J allen show on safety. FM. You know, it's interesting especially when you go into the american disability because it was, it's such a huge thing that changed portion of that industry, especially when you start talking about routes and all all kinds of changes that most transportation companies made to be able to benefit um the, you know, the people that were transporting at the actual time And it's interesting because when you go from delivering boxes to delivering people, it's entirely different on how it and how it works. But you know, I don't want to go through your whole resume because you're like, I don't want to recap some of this stuff I would imagine, but you're a lifelong learner. So a few years later we won't talk, we won't talk about big whales or anything along those lines, but you decide, hey number one, you're going to becoming a junk professor, but at the same time to you say, hey, I haven't had enough schooling in my life and I'm going to go after my doctorate. So why did you decide to go after your doctorate after so many years? So good safety leaders build good safety leaders. It is our job to grow the profession, is your job to this radio show helped, but it is our job to grow the profession And You know the pandemic. I got my degree right before a pandemic. I defended in 19. I was supposed to walk across stage in 20. It wasn't even a big deal is showing on my degree in 20, but I actually defended in November of 19. Um, but I wanted, if you don't mind for people that don't know can you explain that to them because they might not know what you mean by. Yeah, that's where you put your you put your idea right. Everybody you have to create something when you're doing a dissertation that adds to the body of knowledge. You know you can repeat what someone else did but you had to put a spin on it. Um, and so when you're defending your defending, why your idea, your paper, your 100 page, you know lifelong passionate, you know, whatever why it matters and the academy tears it apart. They either say yeah it matters. Yeah, partly destroyed. Yeah. And they make you defend not just why it was important what it is adding why it is different and also you know the results, what you found you know and how you would explain it what it's going to do for the profession society as a whole. And so your defense is really you being on the defense about why you took 345 up to seven years to study something, why it's important and what it's adding to the body of knowledge and whatever area you're trying to you know, add to. So I defended in november the academy said yep you you know you come on cross welcome doctor you know, but what I actually studied was futuristic, I looked at if I only have 2-3 minutes to teach a risk-based concept to teens is virtual reality better is video better or is just giving them the facts better. And so you know obviously we have birthed and I say we whether you have kids or not, you got nephews, God Children, friends of friends, we have birthed a new generation of text touch type, they're digital natives. And so it never even um something that I actually predicted was that the majority of kids in my study would prefer virtual reality because they are digital natives. And that is what came out. But I did learn some different things within those preferences about what girls uh think and what guys think and what came out of my study is we really and prior research because I'm not taking credit because prior research has done some research on just risk adversity and you know how girls and boys see risk. Um some of it is inherent is hereditary. If you have a father who bungee jumps, you're probably not gonna be risk adverse. You're gonna be like, I've seen people do crazy stuff all my life, this is what we do, you know, But if you have now you don't want people to be too risk adverse because you've got to be able to take calculated risk, safety is about mitigating the risk and being able to take a risk, you know, and understanding the potential outcomes right there saying freedom for risk, I don't ever think you're free from risk because risk is everywhere and some risk is inherent and almost everything that we do, but you've calculated or counted up the cost of the risk. And so I was really interested in younger people because it's easier to save younger people than it is to save adults there. I have said it is easier to say younger people than it is to save adults because you have what your experiences have told, I would put my applaud clapping but might go a little bit too much. Yeah, you're right. You're, you're spot on about that. And so I guess this kind of leads to the next question all at the same time. So during this process, is this when you start thinking about the book, is this is when you start thinking about for any of the safety nanny, Is this when you say, hey, I want to move forward with this. Is this is around the same time or is this thought already even occurring previous to this? Or tell me I'm totally off on the timeline. No, you right along. So I did a podcast with Michael Taylor um of the law firm Greenberg Traurig early this year in february. It was during, you know, Black history month. We talked, he talked about the diversity of just the profession and so we banter back and forth. But it was a productive podcast and lost and listeners listening to it. But it was just big bets. We need to make big bets. You know, the census data is telling us that in the net we have birth already the next generation of diverse, you know, workers, they're already born right over the age of five. And so we're going to have to diversify because representation matters. You take stuff what you can see it in your in your kids friends. So I'm going somewhere with this. I tell my son something is great, but his friends tell them is golden. Right? And so yeah. So even in looking at age groups, representation matters if young people co sign something young people co sign something and so it doesn't matter whatever adults think it's cool if their friends say, yeah, it's cool then it's it's sold. And so we know this to be true in everything. And so how it kind of led me to the book, I had that and then I talked and then I said, you know what? I'm starting the pandemic forced me to put up or shut up. So during the pandemic, I didn't just write a book because I wrote this book in like an hour. No kidding. You're not supposed to say that. Yeah. Pandemic for me, it said Fran, are you doing safety for just money? Are you doing safety to make a difference? So people are people are gonna start thinking there's money and safety on Yeah. Yeah. So um, you know, so during the early pandemic, so many people were dying and I don't want people to be sad. But Covid has just been, I mean it has ravaged our society not even just with the number of deaths, but the number of people has left disabled, You know, because we're not talking about that either how it is, you know, changing, you know you're seeing and athletes, you know if you have time going HBO look at real sports Margaret does a story about some D one athletes who had Covid and their long haulers and they can't run jog and do whatever and it's affecting a lot of women too. And so but my mom was actually on a ventilator, thank goodness she made it on this side of it. So during this it spawned me and my sister into action. So a couple things happened, we handed out 2000 facials and mask to frontline workers. You know, we geared up and we went out, it was very hard to get PPE but we were fortunate enough to get it. So we did that. And then as I sat in the house I started to get all these ideas. So I did sisters of safety because me and my sister are both in safety. So we went out and we, our goal was just to give out PPE. The next thing I did was I had always been saying I wanted to write a book and so I give credit to doctor today who was my publisher at priceless Publishing but also give it to a young lady named Dana Bolden because she wrote a book for her daughter And she published it and I ended up seeing the book buying the book. And I was like, I why can't I write my friend at the safety 90? I had already had her name and you know, you put that on your to do list and then you kind of realize life is fragile. And so I needed to get along doing that. So I wrote the book. Um my husband and I think I was gonna be able to write it in a day. I was like, I'm done. He's like, you're lying. He's like, you're lying. So I read the book to him and he's like you wrote that. I was like, google me put it through verify. I did not play dress. I wrote this book. And so that was a piece of it. And then guess what else I did. I started to walk safety women of color. And so I did three things during this pandemic because I wanted to say either you're busy contributing or you're standing on the wall waiting for someone else to do it. And so that's kind of how Franny became alive. And now people are asking me what is Franny's next. And the other night I woke up and wrote a whole little thing about the giggles and germs about how we're going to use, you know how the germs have forced us to take a lot of the joy and the smiles away even in even in our family and Children, but how we can all work together using Franny's magical PPE to bring the giggles back. And let's backtrack, let's backtrack for just one moment. So when you come up with the book idea, you do the book, you write the book, you do it over a period of time because you're already thinking about it, you just put it down on paper in an hour. But when you decide, I know what I want illustration wise because there's a lot more to it as well. How do you decide that this is what you're going to do? And then did you already have a publisher that you were thinking you want to work with? I'm trying to figure it out a lot of stuff Doctor Today actually published, she published dana's book and dana so graciously because people really don't, they sleep on the power of social media. Right? I am a week. I'm a week. Yeah, I'm a week social media person up until now Franny has her own persona, so she needs help. But uh I wasn't really all into social because I was so into the life of I thought my life, right? And so I wrote this down, I saw the book, I saw dana. Dana so graciously was like Call Doctors Today Doctor Today. Really? You know, she got her PhD and she self published her books and now she has a full on publishing company where she's publishing books and um she was like a friend, I can help you and that was just how simple it was, it was boom, just like that and so maybe it was kismet, maybe it was the stars aligning, but priceless Publishing published my book and she was like, yeah, we can help you. How did you decide what the illustration, how did you know what the illustrations we're going to look like and all that stuff? I told her I wanted diverse kids, I wanted my book to be to to reflect all kids, you know, I and I really fixated on just our hair because the pandemic has allowed me to be my full, it has allowed me to be my full, authentic self and I wanted kids to run the gamut, you know, I have every um type of girl in my book, you know, and so that is really who I am, you know, and I'm embracing that and that we talked through it, she saw the vision um she probably said friend is getting on my nerves because I would go back and say could you make, could you make this girl looks like this because you put the heart here because you do this and I grew up with imaginary friends, right, we don't talk enough about imaginary friends and people dreaming and I know we grew up, we would see the little devil on the shoulder and the little angels, Yeah, and so frannie is really just an imaginary nanny, you know, And so I did get some pushback from a couple professional safety women. I've spent my whole career not wanting to be called a nanny is like stop, this is for kids and she's imaginary, right? Because in the end of the book it says Franny want kids to be safe and to be front sound. But frannie understands she can always be around. So she leaves them, her cap, which has magical powers and a safety roadmap and tells them to call her with a small heart tap by tapping their hearts. They immediately see Franny is here and she looks just like me. So safety needs to be inside of our kids. We need to repetitive lee use marketing to give kids the messages that we want them to live on. And so when we grew up, we got messaging like stop drop and roll, don't drown your food. Um, one of my favorites, the centers used to put out what's called, they call me yuck mouth because I don't brush and back then even now because I mean you're looking at tv now you see where your mask the other day, I saw something for vaccine and Subaru does it when they talk about the safety of their cars, but we don't market safe principles enough, you know. Yeah. And so with kids, every kid has a robust christmas list why? Because they market toys like october too, you know, you're being kind october. I thought like I was really around it. There's a lot of stuff there that you really just said, um, I love the diversity on how, how you presented the book, how you came up with the idea. So what is the journey for Franny, the nanny? Because here's the thing, you're going to have the opportunity depending on how you want to develop this persona of, you can even go, you know, to real bookstores because they still do exist. Um, and do you like to read along or even go to a school? This gives you multiple options of doing some different, some different things. So will this be a, we'll call it a character for the, for the sake of saying it a character that you develop the tool that you'll present yourself in real life as part of. Yeah, I mean I'm looking at all kinds of stuff like her PPE, right? Her PPE is magical. Really. She's supposed to be able to put on her glasses and see all the hazards too. The hat is magical in the book. We say, well I'm looking at other stuff too. You know, like her fanny pack, you know, there are so many things we should be putting in our kids backpacks. Right? So I mean it's a lot of things. I have always kind of been a creative person, you know, architecture I get. So I mean, but saving people every day or serving people because we don't save people. People save themselves. We serve them where they are. We give them the tools, we give them the education, we give them the light bulb. Um, but serving people every day really, I'm not gonna lie to you. J that's, I love corporate safety, I love it. Um, because I could barely tell about your uh, so it is a cross hair to say, do you save them young or do you say try to save them now, saving them now is difficult because people are armed with knowledge from everywhere, but as far as Franny goals, I'm just on this journey to see where she can go. You know, I woke up the other night in the middle of the night, have a little note pad wrote about giggles and germs because eventually we're gonna have to bring the kids laughter back. Um, and so frannie had a lot to say that morning. Some mornings when I meditate Franny is not saying a word, right. Um, but that particular morning, I got it down. I was like, man, that book is almost done. I could really set to writing a whole other books. The characters are here now. Um, but I've already been invited to read at schools. I gave the book free this week because this week is national childhood injury prevention week september 1st to the seventh. So all the proceeds are going to charity because that's something else I did during the panty. I started a, I started a charity where, you know, I gave big bet my 1st $10,000 out of my pocket because people want to always fundraise for stuff and I just believe we're at the hour that we got to get our hands already. Um, and so I have a foundation locally where I live where I support underserved girls. Um, and I grew up in a family of girls. You know, I didn't have a brother growing up with me and what I have learned and I have not because I'm now, I got two men in my house, right? Um, but I just know that there's a lot of synergy when girls get like minded, when we really get fixated on trying to improve something, it improves. And you know, it's so funny because I heard a talk radio show the other day where a guy said that men and what men have, uh, equally feminine part that they try to suppress. And he made a point, he said, but every time something is messed up in your life. Who do you run to? And he asked a famous comedian and he was like, he was like, you run to a woman. And so I do know that safety is a nurture science. We nurture people, right? Um, that's never how it's going to be referred to. Uh, yeah, it is the nature of science because we educate, we enforce, but we also rebuild you back. That's why we talk a lot about motivation building you back up positive, immediate consequences. You know, praising people for things that they're doing because it is the motivational science there. But Franny could be a powerful tool in starting the conversations young. Um, there's a lot Freddie could be talking about, but I hope this book does one thing that a parent reason to a kid and say, do you, did you know this? Because when I look back over my life, I cannot remember my mother talking to me about every single one of those things. You know, you learn because you heard stories such and such was hit by car or such and such was kidnapped. I grew up during the Atlanta child murders where all those kids were kidnapped And you know, my mind because the mind is a funny thing. The mind remembers a lot of negative things. My therapist says that is programmed that way. I never remember my mother sitting me and my sisters down saying you guys don't, you know, I never remember those conversations. And so what I want Franny to do is to get on the proactive side. So some of that stuff you were talking about, I'm not even talking about a video game, but if that comes in, but using assessments where Franny can broker conversations with parents, you know, to say, hey, your child was assessed. Hey, this is where Franny knows about what your child feels about these things because something I did in my dissertation was I asked kids how they felt about the dangers that was eye opening because it wasn't what we thought. I can only imagine that probably that might have been one of the first times that a child really have that conversation because that's not something that you normally would think about or at least even reference for the most part. So I could only imagine the, The data said that you ended up getting. Yeah. And I had a big data set. Almost 300 students participated. Um, and so I mean they have the option to opt out. The very few opted out and then in the end I talked to people about just the safety profession. That was another thing I got two for one in that. I told them on the last day, go to BLS type and safety and help look at all the jobs, click on all the jobs and I had people say is that real money? Yes. And one person was like, they say a bachelor's degree. Do you need more school? No, it's a bachelor's. So I did a couple of things there. But what I found was people still don't know this profession exists. We are losing, We have to get on the winning side of this. We gotta start not just talking about frannie, the safety nanny being a real profession because it is a nurture professional safety is, I don't care what people say, it's science. Yeah, but we need to introduce our profession to more people. And so Franny is going to take kids on that journey and we will see where she ends up. I don't know yet. You know, I don't, these creative ways come and go, you know, I said to myself, I only want to work till I'm 60 then I want to do all my philanthropy, all the things I really enjoy doing. Um, because I used to speak on the circuit, I stopped a lot of that. Um, when I don't know why I just take it, matter of fact, let's turn it over to take over the whole thing. I used to do a lot of that stuff and then life just got busy and it called when I was writing my dissertation, but I'm such a believer that everything we have to live full and got empty, we should be giving our knowledge away. You know, I tell my kids all the time you don't have to make the same mistakes I have because I'm handing you the road map. You know, you don't have to go down this dead end road because I'm giving you the playbook. And so that I just think we have a lot of ground to cover for our profession and we got to start younger and hopefully Franny opens that conversation up. Well francine, let me ask a couple of weird questions. If people want to know more about you and about frannie than anne work and they find out more. Okay, so if you go to amazon Barnes and noble cause she's being sold on those. Um, you can look up the Arthur page, you'll see contact information. I've already got a couple schools say, hey Fran, do you charge to come reading person like no way. Um, you know, I will do virtual readings because right now we are still in a penny. Um, but if they want they can google google has my whole life funny story. My son is like my, I google you everything. I googled dad, nothing. I don't know. I, your shot distance. You're so brave. Well my husband is in safety to my husband does, he does the cleanup because he's in E. M. S. So yeah, so he's on that side of it. So I say I try to save people from having to call my husband and yeah, but my son is always laughing like I google you mom everything. I googled dad, nothing. You are trying to cause some trouble with their inside of your household. I appreciate you coming on to the show and I want you to know at any particular point. If you have anything going on, I would love them actually have you come back on. J is so generous of you. I never forget the generosity of people. I'm just happy and honored that you brought me on for my book and I hope that people get their free download before the fifth. Have two more days. Don't click the Kindle, unlimited click shot all formats and just click the Kindle for the $0 because it will go off free sale on the six. Um, and I hope that people broker these conversations with their kids and if frannie does anything else that makes any unique appearances, I'll definitely pitch back onto you first. J. Thank you so much for having me. Want more of the J allen show. Go to safety FM dot com. 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