In this episode, Sheldon is being interviewed by his eldest brother Ken Primus, host of the Thread of Enlightenment podcast. They talk about Sheldon's story, tips to success, race, gender inequality, motivation, drive, and general brother fun stuff! Threads of Enlightenment podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1036666
Primus, Ken Primus, Sheldon Primus, EHS, Enlightenment, self-help, OSHA, regulation, motivation, Hertzberg, Maslow, Hierarchy of Needs, Mindfulness, Meditation, Government, Burnout, Marriage, Single fatherhood, Generations, lineage, brothers, family, podcasting
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[00:00:10] spk_0: The Welcome to the safety consultant podcast. I'm your host, Sheldon Promise. Here's the podcast where I teach you the business of being a safety consultant. And this week we actually have a really, really special guest and it's me, I'm the special guest, but it's not the way you think I'm the special guest of my brother, ken's podcast. So you guys are actually going to get a twofer, you're going to get to promises for the price of one. So it can has a podcast called threads of enlightenment. And you actually heard ken's youngest son who is Joshua, Joshua and his girlfriend economy. Uh, they make up the promise effect on the Youtube, that's me as an old man sitting on the Youtube, you go into the Youtube and you'll be able to get the primacy effect. So anyway, my brother and I, uh, he got his love for podcasting through me doing the show and everything and constantly telling him, you know, you got content for a podcast, you know, you should do it and he did it and he's been Wonderful. And not only did he do one podcast, but he does three, which is threads of enlightenment. What you're going to hear today with me is the second guest will be episode two. So you'll have to go on his show to listen to episode one, see what I did there. Yeah, yeah, I get you guys going on to again show he also has blueprints of faith. That's another one of the shows that he does. And then the last one is um mystery bible. And if you are a theologian or wanting to be one, uh he goes through uncompromised books of the bible and a few other things. And um truly it is a really eye opening show, but he has me on his threats of enlightenment show today. So, if you want to, again, you could use this as a starting to get to his show too. So, you got deeper. Uh truly, you're going to hear us talk about all kinds of stuff. We talk about race, we talk about uh everything including diversity and and inequality of pay, all that stuff we discuss. So just hang out, we have fun and hopefully you're going to have fun too and stick around. I got at the end of this, I am going to come back and do a little wrap up for you. Alright, so, have fun listening to me, my brother Kim on his show, threads of enlightenment. This is gonna be part to to hear the threads of enlightenment. Sheldon interview Part one. You have to go to Kim's website. All right, enjoy
[00:03:08] spk_1: welcome to another episode of uh threats of enlightenment. And um it's my pleasure again to bring my brother Sheldon back for the second part of the interview that we had initiated in the previous uh podcast. And um I'm having a lot of fun uh during these interviews with my brother because he was one of the persons that was instrumental in helping me get the courage to step out and to do podcast. So I'm really excited. And this one, I wanted him to talk a little about his story because that was the catalyst that caused me to bring him on. Because I realized that uh in hearing his story, that it is much of what we talk about here and threats of enlightenment, about our journey to get to where we want to get to to achieve our dreams. And I know he had talked a little about low self esteem and all these different things that we had talked about, but let me bring him on and we'll go from there. Hey Sheldon, how are you doing? Welcome to threats of enlightenment.
[00:04:50] spk_0: All right, thank you. I can even give myself in the clause.
[00:04:54] spk_1: That's good. I
[00:04:58] spk_0: love
[00:04:58] spk_1: this board.
[00:04:59] spk_0: That's
[00:05:01] spk_1: good to hear from me
[00:05:01] spk_0: again, bro. Yeah, yeah, Thank you. Um, I just confess that I didn't hear the first release and I'm like, I'm waiting till after this one. I'm going to listen to both.
[00:05:12] spk_1: I'm getting good feedback from, uh, all the people that have been listening to it, uh, contacted me and tell me that it was good to hear your story. So I know I had mentioned that you'd come back and tell us some more, um, of your journey and how you got to all the different places through your journey. We talked, uh, but the solitude part of it that you have given them advice of how to come out of that, How to, how to recognize your there and how not to be afraid of being there.
[00:05:59] spk_0: Yeah. And truly, the, the story behind all that and the lessons is things that we all get, we all get lessons in life and we pass it on to whoever will ask us and we're like, yeah, this is some of the things that I did to help me get out. Um but it is uh it's everyone's path, right? We've got to figure out everyone's path. I could only give them a little bit of what worked for me and then they'll have to figure out what works for them, even down to scheduling, but truly that's, I'm grateful that everyone got a kick out of the first episode.
[00:06:38] spk_1: Excellent. So give us a little back story um as to uh the young gentleman shell in and what caused him to move from a secure position in the sense that how we are taught to live. You know, you come out, you get this job, you find your secure job, then you get your wife or husband and the kids, the white picket fence and all those other things and uh you had achieved much of that. And then uh you look at it and go, well, I think I need some more.
[00:07:26] spk_0: Wasn't enough yet? Yeah, well, I am truly, I I would say from looking at where I am currently as a consultant to consultants, especially those in the safety field. Uh the start of entrepreneurship is, has been started, you know, way, way back at all of us. I remember how like in the eighties I fancied myself as a young Michael P Keaton remember him uh, family ties, who was uh, I forgot the actor. Um, uh, but uh, that was just amazing at the time for me, because I was always thinking, you know, I am going to be the black version of that. I remember just, you know, if even, you know, saving money, I remember sometimes they had to lend money to the, to the older brothers and sisters. And I'm like, yeah, here I am a businessman. And then, you know, I
[00:08:33] spk_1: remember one of your idols was the Ceo
[00:08:38] spk_0: lee Iacocca.
[00:08:39] spk_1: Well, yeah,
[00:08:41] spk_0: Yeah. At the time in the 80s Lee Iacocca for Chrysler was the man for
[00:08:45] spk_1: Chrysler was
[00:08:46] spk_0: mine. Uh,
[00:08:48] spk_1: you know, I was fascinated in how he changed the mindset of the people. And uh, you know, it was the same set of people you didn't fire. All these people just took the same set of people and took them from a failed company to a successful
[00:09:07] spk_0: company. Yeah. And
[00:09:08] spk_1: so I talked about him a lot of time.
[00:09:10] spk_0: Yeah. And I remember reading his book about, I am Iacocca, I believe it is or I Iacocca, uh, at that time I was like, that's what I wanted to be. So I always had that thread in there. Um, the thing that I was missing though, I had to drive, but I didn't have the experience yet. So the life experience is what really kicked everything in because truly of when I was starting to get of age of working, um, I picked up jobs until I got married and divorced. You know, that whole situation or the marriage and divorce and then all of a sudden, you know, uh, in between, uh, my first wife and my current wife of 24 years were tipping the scale there. Congratulations. I know it's really awesome. I'm going to truly between that time period. I was like, all right, get my act together. I started looking for a job. That's when I got hired on full time with the city of Orlando with the young legs, young back. I was jumping off of the garbage trucks and picking up the garbage and putting it in and uh, still then I was temporary. So I needed to get a full time gig. So after I figured out the full time gig and they allowed to hire from the temple, uh, and I got into a waste order, then I actually liked that field because it, it spoke to my science and my math and I figured if dirty water comes in, I do some magic treatment and all of a sudden clean water leaves this facility. I kind of like the science behind this thing. And I got I got hooked up in that and I just wanted to keep getting better. I just wanted to keep advancing because it's gonna give me pay for my new family. Uh And I was working midnights too. So a big chunk of my career. I don't know if you remember like eight years worth of working on midnight shift that just messes up your mind, your body, your health, everything, it's just you're stuck. And when people are supposed to be sleeping, you're awake and when people are awake, you're sleeping and it was a mess. So remember, yeah,
[00:11:27] spk_1: just according to your schedule to visit and stuff
[00:11:31] spk_0: like that. That's true. I
[00:11:33] spk_1: remember all the crazy stuff. Yeah. What's your schedule?
[00:11:37] spk_0: So I I honestly uh I always had two driving forces. One was just advanced, not only for the money, but you want to advance. So you could, you know, keep going up with uh for me just making where I could feel better about another accomplishment. So I guess if you're you're thinking about her, Hertzberg's theory of motivation. Uh he basically says there's there's two types of motivation. One is intrinsic, one is extrinsic. The intrinsic motivation says that um I am doing this thing because I'm going to feel satisfied when I get it accomplished. Internal external is I am going to do this thing because I'm going to get a position or I'm going to get some sort of accolade or something in the society that makes me feel better about myself. So, external. So those two goals for me was constant. I had internal goals of wanting to go back to school, get my Bachelor's, and then my Masters, and then I had external goals that says, if I do these things, I can also get a raise, and then I could also provide for the family. So those are some of the things I had to struggle with is, um, and thank goodness I have a supportive wife, because every time I'm like, you know, and I had an idea, let me go back to school, she's like, okay, and then she knows that we're gonna be working around childcare and everything else, and then I'm like, you know what, I want my Masters, like now, you know, it's going to be another thing, but, uh, that was one of the goals, the other one was, And just to be frank, and to be honest, in order for me, in my uh, in my life, and also the time where I was working for a government entity and kept going into government jobs. Education was one way that I could set myself apart from other people so I could get in positions. And if you don't know in the US, there is still a big thing with race and it's global. It's not just the U. S. But in uh in florida as well as also in the being in the U. S. Uh I had a tough time going up. I could get promoted to a certain level and once you get to this certain level, this was an expectation that, yeah, for your race and for your person, this is a good level for you.
[00:14:06] spk_1: You're getting
[00:14:08] spk_0: a good salary and you're comfortable. You see other people that looks like you at this level and that's where the expectation was. And I use the inner drive to push past that. That says I kind of break this somehow. I'm going to do it by personality, I'm going to do it by dr, I'm going to do it by dedication. If I got to be the funniest guy in the room, I don't care, I'm going to do something to advance past this invisible wall or ceiling and that actually was a driver to me for almost every major change had a component of race and I know everyone's going to have their own component, but for me that was what was the catalyst driver that says, you know, man, I am not being valued in this area. I know it's because if I was a lighter shade of melon or or less melon in my, in my, in my pigment, then I probably would get this position. Uh, and even to the point where I made the highest position and that I was going to go, I got my masters to get even higher. Uh, it was a point where truly I was the lesser of my peers and the only constant or is to say the only difference was, was my color. So truly I, uh, I found out later on that all my other peers in the same level of me were given vehicles to take home, which I've always seen, but they never paid for it, nothing like that. I asked for mine and they're like, oh, you don't want one anyway, you're going to have to pay for your insurance. It's not all what it's cracked up to be is the answer I got. Exactly. That was truly the answer I got. So like what I ended up just like after a while and then a new administrator came in and he was good old boy system and I got burned out and I said, I'm gonna either settle with living alive with little indignities every single day,
[00:16:11] spk_1: giving
[00:16:13] spk_0: up a piece of myself every single day just to get a check that I know if I give myself the same kind of value system or even more, I could probably do better than this. Very good check it was making, but I would have my own worth, my own intrinsic motivations. And now in this case it turned out to be a business. And that's, that's the, let's say, the special sauce behind what I'm doing now is, uh, when I got the, the drive connected with two other things, one was the motivation, both intrinsic and extrinsic. And then the other thing was, I had to keep giving myself opportunities, let's learn something new, let's do something, let's push something something new. And those little three things together is like a three footed stool. And if you were to take out the drive, I would go stag Did you take out the actual me doing self development? I'll go stagnant. And then of course the other leg of that two of that stool would truly be my motivation. If I stop being motivated, go stagnant. So that was the, uh, that was the long and short. The callous of of what kept me pushing, kept me going, kept me going.
[00:17:36] spk_1: You know, your, your, your store. Um, very common in from the black person side of the conversation. Because I remember dad telling us some of those types of stories. I've encountered some of those type, uh, stereotypical, uh, things that people look at us as and maybe some of our audience even because uh, they are female. They would encounter some of those, uh, those, uh, if I want to say perception of who you are, and so forth,
[00:18:27] spk_0: expectations, we expect you to be like this.
[00:18:30] spk_1: Yes. And so they expect you to behave and act a certain way. And, you know, they're talking about. Uh, and it's absolutely unfair, as far as I'm going equal pay, equal pay for equal for for a person that does the same work, But it's a black person or a female person. We're talking about equal pay if you're qualified for that, and you ought to receive the same pay. So, Sheldon was talking about it's these internal forces that are, if you're listening, we're driving him based on some of the external forces that was pushing on him as well. And between that particular, uh, inertial forces, push it back and forth, he had to make some decisions and to decide, okay, am I going to submit or am I going to become a fighter and push a little farther? Uh, whether it's through training, whether it's through, uh, you're getting different degrees, whatever it is. You know, you just have to keep moving.
[00:19:54] spk_0: Yeah. And that's the truth. It's, it's just constantly, uh, it's life, isn't it? When you really start thinking about it. Uh, if you are living and this is saying you looking at your day from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep, uh, that is, it is of asset. And as well as it is a resource that is not infinite. We're not going to always have the mornings and the sunrises and sunsets. So therefore everything that you put in in between the sunrises and sunsets is life. And I am trying to figure out how do we make this life where I am having fun every moment, including work. And now that is when you are in Nirvana, where even if you're working a job that you're clocking in and out of, but you're having fun and you're enjoying it, you're putting that sunrise to sunset to best of your ability for that moment. And that's that was my life for a long time. And then um an awakening epiphany happens for me that says, I want a little bit more of this paradigm. Uh and it's not happy basically what it boils down to. I'm not happy any more from this sunset, sunrise to the sunset. And it's been too many of those sunrise and sunset groupings that I've just went through, that I haven't been truly happy. What do I need to do next? And uh and that was the catalyst to truly figuring out what excites me and then also uh what can I do to actually make physical dollars right now, because you need to think of the practical things and then from there, how do I plan to get the physical dollars for next month, two months, three months. And uh that little balance over there is right now thinking, future thinking and you you kind of have to get that balance without going out of out of kilter and get yourself burnt
[00:21:59] spk_1: out. Exactly. And I know and I had outlined in the book certain things like uh and those chapters in those books are basically exactly what happened to me because I had to go through the aspect of self love, respecting myself enough to want more. Um having the faith to believe, as you mentioned in the last interview, having the faith to believe that I deserve more. Uh these are all of the conflicts uh and conversation that you have to have in yourself. Um, and that's in your place of solitude. When you begin to probe yourself being to ask questions, you begin to get insights. You began to, I grew there man, that's where I grew and I gained a lot of perspective and I realized in my solitude that the key to all of it was my perspective. If I control my perspective of how I look at a situation, I can conquer that
[00:23:23] spk_0: situation. And for you, I'm not too sure how much your audience knows your background. Maybe I should purpose with that one, but came from a time where when he had his kids were young and they're all four in a row. You know, they're, you know, stair steps as far as age groups. Uh, and truly a wife. Like not only was she stealing money, like taking it out the account, but yeah, you know, the kids weren't getting met and she says, hey, I'll keep paying you just give me my kids. You obviously can't take care of them. I will help you, Let's take care of the kids. I will, you know, our Children first, so I'll still pay. You are supposed of alimony that it was just an agreement between you guys and You know, then truly that day you got to, in the following day, you got the other two is, and, and then that's what early 30's. I recall maybe
[00:24:21] spk_1: It was 35 when I went through my, my divorce, when, when we got, when it was finalized. Um, and uh, my sons are grown men.
[00:24:35] spk_0: Uh,
[00:24:39] spk_1: they're all in their thirties. Uh, gentlemen that I'm very proud of what they have done with their life and I got a chance to be a spectator. Um, and that's all I am right now. Uh, spectator. Um I did the single dad thing, um uh, made a lot of Mystics because no one has given us a catalog or or some kind of things to do that.
[00:25:14] spk_0: And also kids. Yeah.
[00:25:17] spk_1: But you know, you do the best you can with the knowledge that you have, and your hope is that the next generation will learn a little more than you have and take it a little further to take that your family to a different level. And so it's just a a baton that has passed from one generation to another. So as you gain insight, as you gain little nuggets, uh, the hope is that you would not deposit that into your Children, and they still have to find their own path. I mean, they can only take the information because my dad was trying to get us to do certain things and we didn't do it.
[00:26:11] spk_0: I have
[00:26:12] spk_1: to find my own
[00:26:13] spk_0: path. Sheldon
[00:26:15] spk_1: has, yeah. Sheldon has to find his path was totally different from mine.
[00:26:19] spk_0: Well, if I did what they wanted, I would, I would be in the ministry right now as a missionary somewhere, you know, Deep africa,
[00:26:26] spk_1: we all would have been,
[00:26:27] spk_0: I love me some africa, you know, I've been to kenya and Zaire, which is the Republic of Congo now, but truly, uh, I think especially what you just said, there is again part of life where we're all seeking immortality in some way. We want to make our mark in some way. So that's one of the reasons why I started the podcast. You know, imagine my kids being able to play different episodes of me, to their grandkids, and then they're great grandkids and their great, great grandkids and says, hey, here is your great, great, great grandpa Sheldon, you could see his Youtube video, you could hear his podcast and now, you know, in a way now I'm immortal to my line of the family, they'll always be able to see something from me. So that in itself is so powerful in in the thought process of what is this sunrise to sunset today going to be like, where? Maybe someone will have a story about me 2030 40 50 years later. Uh long after, you know, my my ashes are spread or or in a jewelry for my kids to remember me, You know, long be after that.
[00:27:47] spk_1: Yeah. One of uh the things that I am personally, I know it happened shelling and I and my brother Mark, we had an opportunity um sometime last year to sit down with our dad and we taped him. We were going to try and put some together uh to create a podcast with it. Uh that's what I had grabbed shelter and I said I wanted to sit down and talk to our dad. And from that conversation we had a 38 plus our conversation with him. And uh he was telling us specific stories that we remember those kids, but we remember it from our point of view, but we never understood his point of view what was driving him to do what he did and as we saw how he did, and it was for Michel in it was very profound. Uh two I got a better understanding of our father from that
[00:29:06] spk_0: conversation. Yeah, absolutely. And even like I remember he he mentioned something and this is uh for you guys listening right now, we're in 2021 the time of this recording, the time that we recorded my dad. And we truly, I brought my board, I've got a road castor pro board and I hooked up three mics there and we had him on a headset mic in his bed and me and ken are on our own mike. And then my brother Mark called in and I patched him in through the board. So all three of us were able to talk to my dad. And during that time there was actually the breaking news about the immigration in the US where the former president of the administration, there were getting kids at the border. And then, uh, the Children were being separated and it was a big issue in, uh, in the states during that time. And I know they're still trying to be a real from that and get that right. But I think 100 of those families are reunited as of now in 2021, which is great and they're going to try to do the more. But my dad mentioned since he was an immigrant and my mom and uh, in cases they were undocumented, uh, at times, so we, I just kind of a strong feeling of if what was happening now in this climate was happening, then we probably would have such a different life because either one of our parents would have gotten deported or both and then not be able to get back possibly or get back further. But then also, the other thing was, uh, it gave me such a understanding of him how strong they needed to be to make this decision in the seventies, coming into a politically charged community with black and, uh, and brown people's initiative in the sixties, late sixties is when they were coming in, had me as 71. Uh, so during that time period I'm, we asked him about racism. We have to move out of the other things. And some of the stuff that really stuck to me was uh being black in America. During that time period, everyone assumed that you were american black as opposed to caribbean black. They didn't know your culture, your history or anything else, your drive or anything like that. But they made my parents made the concerted effort to, we are going to live our lives like this and this is our standard as opposed to other standards and we're going to be judged according to that. And he said he always kept his eyes on the prize of, I'm getting my family to America. I don't care what else is happening. I'm getting my family to America
[00:31:55] spk_1: and he told us some stories that uh, mythology that we heard as kids. Uh, and it's actually true of how we got to the United States, um, was a financial windfall that my dad and at the time and it caused that help him bring us over. And I remember he was remember mom talking about stories also when uh, they had to hide at work when the
[00:32:33] spk_0: immigration
[00:32:34] spk_1: immigration people were coming and how they deported some of the people. And she was always, uh, she felt that God was always leading her, uh, before they showed up, she felt God would say, do this, do that. And she was obedient enough to that every time she did it, she was the one that got away.
[00:33:00] spk_0: Yeah. And that's just powerful. When you really think about the, the action that a person did to say I need to better myself or find a way to make my next generation get better. That's the plight. That's the same thing we're just talking about. We want to try to make sure that as we're coming up, we learned things and then when we learn and pass it on to our kids so they can learn it, pass it on to our grandkids and they let it keep going. Uh, and that was what, you know, they were struggling. They were going outside of the law, breaking the that little box that we've got to says, immigration rules for those reasons. And I know we need immigration roles. I'm not saying that we've got to flood the country, but there's got to be some happy medium where the statue of Liberty and the the encryption, the inscription on that still stands today. But in some modernist system, that would be fair. That would be something that we could model. I'm sure there's other countries doing it. So I find that model it you know, that's like every business. You find a role model. You see if you can get some coaching and then now you you build on what you just got coach done.
[00:34:16] spk_1: You know that's what a lot of the those guys are making money. You tell you model yourself after them and then you step out and follow the model. And so um as you hear shelling and I do having our conversation. Uh the thing that is over and over is that you have to find something big to motivate you whatever it is. Um your family, the love of your family, the fact that you want your family to have a better um guess passing of the baton if you will. Uh whatever that thing is for you grab a little bit. Yeah. And don't stop, I mean if it's to get your schooling, get your schooling, if it's to uh move to a different job, moved to a different job shelling uh He was in a secure job and he moved from that to take a step into an industry for him that was not a secure, he has to build his business, he has to come up with clients. But those bills are still there so you have to find what's that motivation is to help you conquer your situation because the bills are not gonna change, but you make the change and you're finding your way through as you navigate to this new path that you're creating. You know.
[00:36:06] spk_0: Yeah. Absolutely. And I truly believe as uh as the saying goes, you know you've a lot of people will will say you gotta you gotta spend some money to make some money. Uh and that's true. I actually believe that that's true, but it goes beyond just money. It's like uh you have to take a chance in order to get big chances to come back at you. It's it's a it's like a law of of uh I forget what it is that there's there's one of the principles where basically you have to you have the intention of the law of intention. Uh so you have to make sure that you got the intention to do it. That's a good start, that sets the energy in motion. And then after that, you still got to start, you still got to do it, you still got to do podcast one, you still got to make that first bid uh and fill out that that bid opportunity or whatever you're going to do with your business. Uh then that's putting some action to the intention. Get those two things together and life can begin to change
[00:37:18] spk_1: Excellently. Shell and I want to thank you man for uh, coming and spending some time with us at the threats of enlightenment. I do appreciate it, man.
[00:37:30] spk_0: You know, it was great. Thank you here. I'm going to pop some champagne for us.
[00:37:35] spk_1: Uh, drink some of that
[00:37:39] spk_0: thanks.
[00:37:42] spk_1: But again, it was an honor for me to bring my brother on because he was instrumental in helping me to start my journey in the podcasting um, arena. And I still call him for advice. I call him to strategize all these different things. So, um find your team as you begin your journey, um, Shell in will tell you because I know he has his
[00:38:18] spk_0: team. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:38:19] spk_1: Including his wife and some other mentors in his field and outside of his sheet.
[00:38:27] spk_0: And that's the key. That's a good point. I know we're throwing some extra here when you're in Louisiana. They call that land Yap, which is like the biggest dozen where you get one extra thing you didn't expect. So here's some land up for you. The team aspect is great and it's um if you even go to a napoleon hill's book thinking girl rich, uh the mastermind concept or the group who who are together and you're all seeking the same thing. You may not be in the same industry but you're in the same mentality of growth, your same mentality of change, the same mentality of business agreement, whatever it is, the group of you get together and you're going to hold each other accountable, which is the key. But then you're also going to exchange ideas from different views and together. That mastermind concept uh is going to grow your business and don't worry about trying to fabricate a group. They're going to come to you. The only thing is you're going to have to formalize it later on or something formalize. It just means, you know, truly you guys are going to have to put it in the calendar when you're going to meet. But other than that, they'll keep coming to you all of a sudden, you'll be talking to someone, you know, hey, this is the fourth time this week. I called Cannon Man. We should really just just get together and just strategize over things. I just like the way we, we have synergy together and that's how we'll work.
[00:39:55] spk_1: Excellent. Um well this is uh Shell and said you got your helping and it's time for us to try and uh let you guys go, I appreciate you coming to threads of enlightenment and listening.
[00:40:12] spk_0: Welcome back to the episode. I bet you guys had some fun with that one. Hearing me and my big brother just kinda talking about just about everything a little bit more about my story you got there and a little bit about ken's story and his life and just knowing not to give up and just keep going. You know, we talked a little bit and I got us into the, The diversity aspect, but truly, that was a catalyst to me and gave me my story is where I am right now. So you got to hear it. Um and I am just grateful for Kim to have me on to hear episode one. Or if you say the first part of this interview, you have to go to wherever you listen to podcasts or wherever you're listening to me right now, chances are it's going to be the same place. So what you're gonna end up doing is you're going to look up, ken, primus, so good typing his name. K E M P R I M U S Type that in into whatever service you listen to podcasts, you're going to see three podcast. So you'll be able to pick through blueprints of faith mystery bible. But definitely you want to get episode one of my interview or his interview with me on threads of enlightenment. So look for episode one I believe was aired on april 1st 2021. So that's the draw mark. Why are you there? Might as well subscribe to his podcast too. So go ahead, hit the subscribe button for threads of enlightenment, you get to hear, can get some good information that's gonna help you with your consultancy and just your mindfulness in life. Then the next thing that you're going to do is why you're there. Might as well look up safety consultant podcast even though you're listening to me now, it doesn't mean that you actually subscribe to me. So that's not a good thing to do. I've been actually looking at some of my rankings and it's going up so I really appreciate you guys for that. And what I would say is can you please pass me on to someone else to so that they can also get the good information that's coming to them and if you can and I really would appreciate it. Go through your uh subscribe button like you like I just told you but not everyone can do this. I understand but go ahead and give me some sort of rating. That would be wonderful. Give me a rating. Five star rating will be incredible. But I'm not pushing that whatever you feel is right. And then also if you have a chance to just drop a couple of lines in there, let me know what you think and let everybody know what you think of the podcast. So that as you're looking at the liner notes and they get stopped by a picture, then they could read a little bit about what other people think about this podcast. And if they see five stars and good reviews, then I say, hey, I think I want to listen to this one too. So if you do that, they'll be great. I appreciate it. That's a wonderful thank you for all the stuff that I'm giving to you. I would greatly appreciate that. So I am going to leave you guys and just again, thank you for being with me. Thank you for uh all the support. If you want to get a little bit more information about being a safety consultant, I invite you to sign up for the safety consultant tv which is a video on demand service but If you go to safety consultant that TV right now there's an offer for 30 days off, so the month of April we're going to have 30 days off. So all you would have to do is go to safety consultant that TV and you could get your free 30 day subscription and what that's going to do is give you an opportunity to go through all the playlists and get a good idea. I'm still adding more things to it because it's a video on demand service. You know if you're gonna watch me on your itunes or your ipad or if you're gonna watch me on your Apple Tv or your Roku or even your fire stick as an app. Then I got to make sure I keep giving you guys some good information. So you're going to see things regarding specifically safety consulting and getting every aspect of your business such as marketing aspect and everything else. I give you tips on those but give you tips on OSHA compliance as well. And then there's even a playlist in there for mindfulness and safety. So come on you got a little bit of everything going on over there. So uh, I would really like it if you could stop by safety consultant that tv and sign up and use code consultant. So any plan if it's gonna be a monthly annual, whatever it up to you, but just make sure that you put the code consultant, that's the code you want to use. So once you add that code, that's going to give you that 30 day free so you can kick the tires a little bit chemical. You watch it on your own tv. Look at that. All right. Thanks for everybody hanging out with me. I will see you next week. You got this thing in uh next week. We're also going to have uh Khalil TK is from Saudi Arabia and he's going to be my guest next week. So prepare for a wonderful episode next week. All right, Go get him. Mhm. This episode has been powered by safety. FM. Mhm.