[00:00:00] :  this. This this show is brought to you by safety FM. Welcome to Safety Wars Live for Friday, 14, 2022. We're broadcasting from the borders of Liberty and prosperity and the highway to the north. Welcome to our show. We got a lot of stuff going on tonight. We just have some updates from the chemical safety board. They had just released a report From the pes fire and explosion in Philadelphia back way back in June of 2019 when I was working in the refinery refining industry, Pardon me, they we're making a big deal out of this and it should be a big deal. I'm shocked that there wasn't more mayhem. We're going to finish off with a discussion on fall protection because it's fall protection friday. I had to figure out alliteration for the other days for other safety time topics. Somehow biohazard monday may not doesn't really sound good. So we here we have in Chicago, 1/5 grade teacher allegedly made a kill list of students. A 58 grade teacher in East Chicago indiana. It's not Chicago Illinois. East Chicago indiana where I've been, there's a lot of oil facilities. There has been detained by police after it was discovered that she had a kill list of individuals which included her students and scat staff members. She worked at ST standards law school in East Chicago. And this happened thursday. There have been reports about a threatening report that had been made at the school upon the rival. The officers spoke with the principal and assistant principal of the school who claimed that the teacher told the fifth grade student of battle list and informed them that he or she was at the bottom of that list. Well, I don't know what precipitated that, but that's sounds a little bit ridiculous. I do know that teachers do teach keep lists and what they do is they identify, I've been told this by several teachers over the years that they actually keep lists and they hold on, I'm getting some feedback here. I gotta fix that. They keep lists of students and then check back as to what they're going to be. And they actually, some schools have a pool, this one's gonna be a criminal, this one's gonna be a doctor, this one's gonna be a lawyer. What have you? I don't know how different this was, why you would have a kill list, but thank God they got ahold of the person and they're doing an investigation uh before something really bad happens. Our next story, the Department of Justice is sued for explaining why it won't protect Supreme Court justices Holmes from protests. So it's against the law. It's a it's a federal offense actually to actually uh protests at a federal judge's house in the hopes of getting them to change their mind and decision or influence a decision. And apparently the Justice Department is being very selective on when they enforce this or how who they enforce this on and they're being sued right now. It's the Heritage Foundation versus the Department of Justice. It was filed this week in the District Court of District of Columbia. And uh, one of the parts of the case is that the doj has refused refused to provide documents requested under Freedom of Information Act, explaining why it won't enforce uh, the foia And it goes on and on and on. And this is again, thing, we had the January 6 um incident. What have you on the capital? We're focused a lot on that. Well, now, we're having issues with other federal officials in this case. Federal judges, the Supreme Court probably know they're breaking the law. I don't know why are we seeing a disparity on enforcement? Apparently, hopefully we get this all straightened out because we can't continue to dislike and argue with each other in this country, that will be a safety issue also. Or that europe, europe's rising demand for gas rights gains for Australian liquefied natural gas exporters. So, basically, higher prices is canceling out the transportation issue. Uh, right. And as the transportation costs, it's sort of like the sign. No, there's a saying out there, at least from my era, that Seinfeld has an anecdote on every part of life, right? So, if you recall the Seinfeld episode where they were trying to get return deposit cans, uh, for deposits and areas in this case Chicago, right? Uh, for because they got a higher, they got a higher deposit on aluminum cans at the time. And Newman decides that they're going to pack, right? He has a, there's a, uh, postal vehicle going to Chicago making like an emergency delivery. So he says, we're gonna go and we're going to pack the whole thing filled with aluminum can. So you can get the higher deposit rate because transportation is not a factor anymore. It doesn't cost to transport this stuff because the post office will do it. Well, this is sort of like the same thing where the price and liquefied natural gas is high enough because of the Ukraine situation. And now it's competitive to ship liquefied natural gas from Australia. I don't know how they're going. I don't know if they're going through the Panama canal that way or they're going around the Cape of good Hope around Africa or the Suez Canal, whatever it is, I would think it's not such a good idea maybe to be shipping that much liquefied natural gas around in a populated area wouldn't be my decision. But, uh, basically the, uh, I know when they're making a delivery into new york harbor, uh, specifically around the Bay Way refinery, uh, coming into Lyndon, that everything shuts down when that liquefied natural gas tanker comes in. What's going on here. I don't know, It seems to me putting a liquid financial gas tanker through a canal may not be a good thing, especially if there's a catastrophic situation, if you know what I mean. Especially with, uh no Suez Canal and you have like a potential nuclear war in that neighborhood. I don't know. I don't think you know Egypt isn't in it but you never know. This thing could go really hot really quick. Next story here we have nuclear, we gotta get our nuclear warning. Putin sent 11 nuclear bombers and then 20 miles of NATO borders as he threatened nuclear war at the same time. This happened on october 7th satellite image showed T 1 60 strategic bombers and 14 95 aircraft at the Russian air base and Alayna on the Kolski peninsula. I know I'm destroying that name. And two days after that another image showed one of the 1 60 bombers. That's a little bit alarming to be honest with you. I think it is at least the FDA warns of an Adderall shortage. So Adderall is a prescription medication normally. Uh it's a sign it's uh prescribed for a whole bunch of stuff. But maybe the A. D. A. D. H. D. A. D. D. Uh and some other uh uh conditions, narcolepsy being one of them. But it's an amphetamine salt. The FDA said that alternative therapies for these conditions were available and advise the patients speak with a healthcare professional and what the best treatment plan is. But basically there's an ongoing supply disruption since at least august last night we covered the Eos M pick shortage. Uh those epic for diabetes and treatment and where it's being used for off label things, for example, weight loss. And guess what now they're now the same thing that's going on the Adderall. Now I think two major medications from managing medical stuff, Common medical problems. I think that's a little bit disconcerting where now we're having shortages of this stuff. Uh but we'll see what happens. Uh one of the manufacturers is not expecting uh supplies to be recovered until at least March to 2023. So your doctor for advice before you start messing around with your prescriptions. So now there is a theory now that serial serial killer in Stockton California might also be the duck walk killer from Chicago. So there's a serial killer in Stockton California. And they're trying to wonder if it's the same person that was in Chicago. And uh basically uh this has been going on in the investigation in the background. I mean, which is not off the record, but it's like in the background where it's happening, but nobody's talking about it. Uh So the stopped and serial killer according to police, has taken the lives of six people and injured to seventh in Stockton and Oakland. And now they're now they're all people out there freaking out. I would too. Last week the police released the video of uh the killer. Now they're thinking that they're linking the two uh killers together. One in Chicago and the one over there something to think about uh full disclosure, one of my former political associates, my political life was the uh minister for David Burke was also the also known as the son of Sam Killer from the 70s. And he was his minister for many years. And it was just the stories that he would tell on, uh, you know, things are there obviously nothing confidential, but uh, you know, but everything that was on the public record, according to me, he said, yeah. You know, he did manage to reform himself and uh, found God in prison. Which is a good thing, I guess. Uh, some good news. Well, let's finish on some good news. The first ever cancer vaccine could be ready in months saying to say, this is coming from uh Moderna and Merck. And they have said that there is a uh, this is game changing vaccine, which is meant to combat high risk melanoma, which is the deadliest form of skin cancer. It's similar to the technology that uses some of the technology for the Covid vaccines. Cancer shot is tailored for each patient to generate T cells, a key part of the body's immune system based on the specific mutation signature of each tumor. Oh, this is a good thing. And let me go and remind everybody that they need to check themselves for skin cancer. Or better yet have their significant other other check all over their body for skin cancer. And then we could probably get a good chance in fighting this because early detection is key. We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. Safety wars are streaming now. Safety F M dot com in the professional safety community communication and planning are just a few keys to your program success. The question many practitioners have is where do I start? 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Bitcoin is up 19 20706 and crude oil, which is probably being impacted from the Strategic oil reserve release is at 8 55.55 85 55 per barrel, precious metals. We have gold down at 2 16 5 54 30 silver down. Big jump down 72 cents to 18 51. Platinum is up 9 18.30 and palladium is down to 1 17 down by 1 17 20. And uh hold on, hold on, I gotta read this, plating is down $117.20 at this settled at 2033 50. Chemical Safety Board this week issued a final report and I'm, no one's been talking about this really. I got it as a fluke. So I don't know is it a safety wars exclusive. Okay, let's try that again in today. Safety words exclusive. I'm gonna call him in the city. This is from october 11th, 2022. This is right from the Chemical Safety Board. Uh press release but CSB released its final report into the 2019 pes fire and explosion in philadelphia. If you recall a hydro floor back in 2019 in june uh, outside of philadelphia, there was a massive explosion that occurred at the philadelphia Energy free energy and solutions refinery. That basically a the incident occurred while just read it. The incident occurred when a corroded pipe elbow ruptured releasing process flew into the refineries Hydrofluoric acid calculation unit. So Hydrofluoric acid is a catalyst and whatever they were doing their during the incident over £5,000 of highly toxic Hydrofluoric acid were released, a £38,000 vessel fragment launched offside and landed on the other side of the school Kill River. And an estimated property loss is $750 million Internet of this thing exploding. And this big vessel fragment flying and two fishermen, as I recall, why were you a few fish in this cool cool river? I don't know. Hopefully they're a sport fishermen and not sustenance fisherman and this big freaking piece of steel they found unbelievable. This is one of the largest refinery disasters worldwide in decades. In terms of cost the local community in philadelphia fortunately was not seriously harmed. But given the refineries location, it could have been much worse. This incident should be a wake up call to the industry to prevent a similar event from occurring in the future. The C. S. B. S. Investigation that over 100 and 17,000 people reside within a mile of the refinery. So the refinery is currently being uh this is not in the press release but refinery is currently being dismantled. Uh The pes apparently allegedly according to what I've read has gone bankrupt and they sold everything off to developers, but there are still ongoing uh environmental issues going on at the refinery and good news is is that they uh actually uh are ahead of schedule and the demo. So some of the key safety issues that the CSB identified was mechanical integrity. The CSB determined that the pipe elbow that failed had corroded faster than other piping in the Hydrofluoric calculation unit. That is because the steel pipe elbow contained a higher content of nickel and copper than other piping in the unit. Very now we're on that in a minute because that's a very uh interesting observation. I mean, you gotta, I have to comment and have them on the back. You gotta really have your group together to do this level of analysis here uh, with, with this. Right, so that was item number one is verifying safety of equipment after changes through good practice guidance. When the pipe elbow was installed in 1973 I'm shocked that they have records going back that far, knowing what I know about the oil industry, the sander said yes, a STM as American Society for testing materials for carbon steel piping did not specify limits on nickel or copper content over the next next decades. That standard change by 1995 A S. T E. M. Had been in the standards have been revised enough that the pipe elbow no longer meet met a STM requirements. This one through the elbows, high levels of nickel and copper, copper. So basically the spec changed. Alright, this is often what happens. I'm not saying this has happened here, but this is often what happens on these jobs. The uh some standard changes and because it ain't ruptured, it ain't Lincoln it ain't broken, they're not gonna fix it. And apparently that might have happened here with pes So and that goes into it right to prevent catastrophic incidents. Companies and industry trade groups must ensure process safety when new knowledge on hazards is published. According to CSP supervisory investigator Lauren grim. Right. So I she went on to say a comprehensive evaluation of unified never occurred despite regulations from both the OSHA and uh E. P. A. Requiring companies determine that their equipment is safe to operate afternoon street standards is updated. So, CSB found also, we have a couple of bullet items here. Uh There were no remotely operating emergency isolation valves installed in the HIV calculation unit, meaning that somebody had to go in there and physically turn things which with a major fire that may not be really a feasible thing to do because you're supposed to protect human life. First, the environment. Second and property last, although these valves are not explicitly required by a P. I. Standard, that's american Petroleum Institute standard on safe operation of HF calculation used units FPs had insults such valves are released from the pipe elbow could have been minimized and the subsequent explosions could have been prevented. As a result, the CSB is recommending a. P. I. To update that standard to require installation of remotely operated emergency isolation valves on the inlet and outlets of HF containing vessels and any hydrocarbon containing vessels meaning the defined thresholds. Now, Hydrofluoric acid, let me recall with all of you folks here in the safety old H. F. Is one of those things where you get it on you and you don't realize it until it goes and starts eating away at your bones. And the typical uh treatment for this. So I'm told is to start amputating things until there's evidence that is not destroying your bone marrow Bullet item number to safeguard reliability nature of uh calculation units. On the day of the incident, pumps designed this very large volumes of water to suppress and HF release failed to activate early in the incident as the elements to remotely operate the pumps were damaged by the fire and explosions. 40 minutes elapsed from the time of the release became before a worker was able to manually turn on the water pump. In the meantime, HF escaped in the unit and vaporized. As a result, CSB is recommending a P. I updated standard on the safe operation blah blah blah to require that critical safeguards and associated control system components be protected from fire and explosion hazards including radiant heat and flying particles and they're also calling on inherently safer design. So according to the C. S. V. Chemical safety board uh press release of the 155 U. S. Petroleum refineries currently in operation. The US. I didn't know we had that many refineries to be honest with you. 46 operate a similar process and it's one of the uh and and it's also one of the H. F. Is one of the highest one of the eight most hazardous chemicals regulated by E. P. S. Risk management program. So uh alternate technologies have been uh created uh specifically sulfuric acid as a catalyst instead of HF. Although sulfuric acid is highly corrosive and called skin burns on contact remains a liquid upon release and does not present the same risk surrounding communities. So use safety professionals out there. What is this called? In the hierarchy of controls. The traditional hierarchy of controls. It is a substitution. You're substituting a less hazardous chemical. No more hazardous couple. You're getting a less hazardous chemical in there for a more hazardous chemical however you want to say. So the C. S. V. S. Investigation found that there's no federal regular regulatory regulatory where is my math today? Regulatory requirement for refineries to analyze inherently safer design strategies to reduce the risk of serious accidental releases and it goes on and on and on. But what what's the end result here? So these facilities have to be upgraded every so often. Alright and as they're upgraded every so often. It would probably behoove what they're recommending here is that they update technologies. My understanding also from insiders that were related here because I was in the industry. My and I guess this is my understanding is that they area where this pipe ruptured, it was a very difficult area to get to and and impeded any type of book raids being gone on. The report doesn't say that here, but that's what I understand from the industry. So take it or leave it. I have no way of verifying that so, but it wouldn't surprise me because it's not the first time that I've heard of things, something like that happening where things are never upgraded because of that because of whatever. Uh if I could remind everybody of charlie more craft and remember charlie which is a famous safety movie. So we're gonna take a brief break here and we'll go come back in a minute. Okay, we are back. Safety wars are streaming now Safety F. M dot com. You are listening to safety wars. Tomorrow's safety today. Okay, we're back and we're gonna be talking about our main subject here which is fall protection. So this past week I presented a fall protection confident person training class for one of my customers and specifically it was the uh uh confident person portion of the class for uh the Army Corps of Engineers. So there's a lot of stuff there for protection standards. There's a lot of stuff going on. There's several different standards. They all have their little nuances here. Uh One of them is the M. 3 85 standard under the Army Corps of Engineers for the Army Corps of Engineers projects. So that's updated. It's currently being updated. They're supposed to issue something in the very very near future. And essentially the manual I'll read from the uh purpose write this manual. Prescribes the safety and health requirements for all Corps of Engineers activities and operations manual applies to headquarters. Uh No and all the fixed location as fixed locations and facilities that are typically D. O. D. Things related things as well as U. S. Army Corps of Engineer contracts and those administers on behalf of U. S. Army Corps of Engineers. So if you're working on a D. O. D. Project or anything administered by the Army Corps of Engineers which believe it or not uh Is a lot out there. I've been on environmental cleanups that were administrated by the Army Corps of Engineers we had to uh comply with some of the things in the M. 3 85 standard. Even though. Right. And typically when uh the Army Corps of Engineers loans out often uh their personnel F. D. E. P. A. Is short or another federal agency is short. They lend them out to go and do you know the Minister of cleanups, Things of that nature that's not unheard of. Uh So you have several different things related to uh fall protection. So you have your normal, let's consumer in construction, uh walking working services, as in the 1910 standard. That is general industry, but we're talking about the 1926 standards. So you have the OSHA standards which are uh essentially the uh 1926 500 area. And then you also have the 1926 for 51 for scaffolding and going on to uh steel erection 1926 7 60 underground construction and steroids and ladders. That's all dependent on fall protection on that. So, uh Right, That that that's OSHA. So, OSHA is the law basically, if OSHA comes down and cites you for fall protection issues, it's going to be the law, uh the law, they're not regulating some aspect of fall part of Fall protection, Then it's gonna they're going to go to an industry standard, for example, an C359 standard for fall protection. And the NC 359 standard is very comprehensive. What's no let's back up here. So, for a regulation to get updated under OSHA, it takes many, many, many years. It does. We're talking 10 or 15 years in some cases, they got a standard. Unless it's an emergency temporary standard, then it's only temporary. And if you've been following the covid stuff uh That's very uh we should all be pretty much experts and familiar with it. So what uh OSHA says is for a lot of these standards? If we don't have a standard, you have to go to industry standard and C is one of the industry standards. Uh N. F. P. A. Uh And FDA is another agency, another National Fire Protection Association or OSHA defers to them also. Right, So, and she has, I don't even know how many standards and standards dealing with uh fall protection. Obviously, Hearing protection, Eye protection, hand protection, you name it everything, every aspect out there. Uh And FDA is really into fire and fire rescue type of things. So the you have to know where you are, What applies to you as a construction? Is the general industry is a maritime, is it uh marine terminals, Is it uh agriculture, is it something else? Are you on a D. O. E. Job Department of Energy Job where you have totally different requirements on a lot of that stuff. You have to know where you are. So here you go. Uh So what OSHA considers fall protection to be one of their focus for hazards, meaning that they've seen a lot. That's one of the most frequently cited things. It's also leads to the most amount of injuries, whether they are same level falls, meaning you're tripping and falling or you're falling from height and I mean it's a lot, it's something like one over almost one quarter of the injuries. Uh I'm sorry, one quarter of the fatalities under OSHA are fall protection related. They have to deal with the fall. So what are some of the requirements for this? Some of the frequently cited standards right here. And let me think here. So, Under 19, I'm just getting an update of the regulations here. So for example, under 19. Subpart M. Subpart M. 501. You have a duty to uh to have fall protection systems with your for your employees. Real simple. And they outline all different things they outlined, leading edges, different requirements. They require uh This is where the six ft rule comes in and hoist areas where you're gonna be hoisting things on to, let's say a roof or an upper level. You're required to have some type of fall protection. Uh and then holes that are holes and decking, including skylights have to be protected right from that. Uh All different types of form. But what does it come down to six ft. Alright. And from falling from all their levels, even for excavations, dangerous equipment? Uh All different that. Okay. And it also applies for residential construction. So let's say someone's doing your roof. Guess what applies? How about for wall openings where they're not moving water building wall. Yeah, that applies. And it also applies the duty that have full protections. You're protecting your employees from falling objects. Now, what's the hierarchy of controls and gravity check? And I'll quote them. They have some pretty good one. Pretty good handout here. That's often used by safety professionals called the hierarchy. Fall protection hierarchy of fall protection, but basically there's five different things you want to do. And it's very similar to the other hierarchy of controls that we're all used to. And that still applies. You have hazard elimination or you're gonna eliminate that hazard somehow, maybe do it. Uh The example they use is changing a light bulb with a pole. The second one is a passive fall protection system. And that's where, you know, if you can't eliminate the hazard, you have passive fall protection. What are you talking about? Covers would be one uh top rail, mid rail and to board on railings that meet OSHA and AnSI requirements of £200 limits, weight limits on the uh top rail, 150 on the mid rail and £50 on the tote board. Uh And if you cannot do that, you cannot guard it. You cannot put a guard over it. Uh Which is one of the citizens, a guard or a cover. Then you have to move into number three. Some type of a fall restraint system. And there are certain advantages through a fall restraint system. That means it's a no, they are they're often called fall restriction or work worker restriction systems where you're going to limit the amount of area where you could travel. So if you are in uh if you are in uh on a roof and you rig up your fall restraint system. So you cannot fall over the roof, right? Fall off the roof. That's what you want because then you're eliminating a fall. So that's the basic line on that, there's some certain advantages. So for example, an Anchorage system, what you need to tie into with a fall or a system, your Anchorage point has to hold £5000. The fall restraint system by ocean letter of interpretation, it's only £3000. So that might be something that you want to do as opposed to that. Uh, again, workers, no, as you can move further down the hierarchy of controls, you're really relying on the workers and more importantly, you're competent persons to do the right thing. Confident persons are. And foreman supervisors are all part of management and that's how OSHA views it is. Management, and there's really no excuse. Hey, Well, I told the guy to put on a harness. Well, he didn't put on a harness. Yeah, but you're the confident person and the foreman you knew about it. Management knew about it. So there goes that defense out the window when you get cited for that or you get sued for that, right? And let me point out the following ocean regulations does not necessarily prevent injuries, right? And does not absolve you of any type of liability associated worth workplace injuries. And then you get, so you get from the hazard elimination of passive fall protection for Russian system. Then you go into the fall arrest system. Now the fall arrest system, you need a £5,000 Anchorage. You need to start calculating fall distances for the type of lanyard or connecting device to the harness and we'll get back to that in a minute. And you also uh have to verify that everything is uh set up properly and it's all in the setup. You want to get into that skills mode for under the sk our work mode, I'm there and then the fifth is sometimes I'm an administrative control and I always but always but always recommend against administrative controls with this uh specifically a safety monitor. Every fall protection situation that I have uh where they would have been. No, let me back up. Not every again, I've got to be careful here. 3/5 of the fall uh injuries that I've investigated were because you had to say, they said we're going to use the safety monitor system on the roof and person ended up biting the dust Because they fell off. And the other thing is this, if you have a safety monitor system, they have to be fully dedicated to that doing that. And what happens after about 20 minutes, somebody picks up hand tool and throws it at the person because they're uh, you know, they're aggravating everybody. So fall arrest systems. Here's a question for, you know, our typical hierarchy of controls that we have from promoted by NIOSH and OSHA and everybody else. You have certain levels of elimination substitution, engineering, administrative. And the last one is PPE. And we're told that the PPE is the least uh preferable forms of protection because now you are relying exclusively on the worker verifying the worker has training, verifying that they have the correct equipment, verifying that the equipment is used properly and everything else that goes in there that companies have an or organizations have a tendency of uh, failing in some, some way. Well, here's a question for you. Something you want to think about fall rest system where you're gonna be explosive. Fall, you fall into it, it breaks your fall. Is that an administrative control or is that B B or is it a substitution? Which one is it on that traditional hierarchy of controls? I'm gonna argue. And I would argue that it is a substitution because if you think you're going to fall into a harness and a lanyard and not get hurt harness, lanyard and anchoring system of fall protection system, not get hurt and it's not gonna hurt and you're not gonna get injured. You got another thing coming, why? You have a lot of hazards that happen with a fall into that system. Let's say that you have a pre existing back injury. We're talking uh, uh herniated disc, let's say you're talking uh, you can have suspension trauma. You can have many, many, many different injuries from that. But you're not gonna die in all likelihood if it's everything is set up appropriately. So it's more of a substitution. That doesn't mean it's not gonna hurt. Now that now some of the challenges in using a fall arrest system or even a fall for restraint system Under OSHA, everything has to be set up. Everything has to be inspected by a confident person. Under the 1926 32 regulations. And what's a confident person, Someone who is able to assess the hazard and fix the hazard. Companies often fail with that when they don't identify the confident person, it's usually the foreman, but sometimes in some cases it's been the owner of the company because the foreman didn't even have authority to change things. So how do you like that? In some jurisdictions like new york, if you're the confident person and if you screw up it could be a criminal or civil penalty against you moving onward. Uh And see the american national standards 3 59. Their requirements for confident persons are very explicit, as are the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers uh thing. And we also do we do training and all of this stuff. So for example, the uh well, thumb down here, I had the standard at right in front of me. So under the Army Corps of Engineers, the M 3 85 standard, you have a fall protection program Manager, which is also part of ANSI, Z 3 59.2 and all of this stuff then you also have a qualified person for Fall protection and this is the person that is also in uh That is also uh more or less called out in 359. But not really. Yes. No, I don't have that standard in front of me. But you have to have a qualified person designing things for for technical support. So normally often an engineer but it does not necessarily have to be an engineer. It could just be somebody very, very knowledgeable and Fall protection who's able to design it and who is able through uh through uh professional standing. However, we are going to define that is cable to be a qualified person. So for example, uh for certain systems, I'm a qualified person on some of them. I can be legally on paper a qualified person. Is that something I go out and do? Probably not. I have a qualified person available that I could call. The big thing is is that whether it's OSHA, whether it's ANSI or whether it's the Army Corps of Engineers, they focus on the confident person, confident person is responsible. This is out of the Army Corps of Engineers thing. The confident person responsible for the immediate supervision, implementation monitoring of the Fall Protection plan program that's developed by the Fall protection program Manager and installing the equipment by the that's the designed by the qualified individual. So that's the main focus of a confident person And with fall protection and there are a number I'm looking at a whole page of stuff and they have to be trained and all this stuff and pretty much everything that has to do with fall protection including And we know we understand the use and Southwark and all we understand all that stuff. But the things that people often do not uh focused on because I think it's because it's towards the bottom of the page is that you have to verify that the end users who are working at heights are trained and authorized to do. So you have to verify training. That's a confident person. So let's say that you have an employee who does not know what they're doing has bad work habits. It's that bad apple that the behavior based safety bill people often focus on. Are there bad apples? Yeah, of course. But they're not my experience. Few and far between right. That's not the first accusation you throw out there. So if they're not doing their job, then guess what? They can't they have to correct them under the scaffolding standard. Under OSHA. Guess what the confident person has got to do that. How do I manage this? I manage it because I have a list of confident person's right And this is on a 8.5 by 11 form. I have a list of all the employees and the confident person signs off who they are. The confident person. Okay Circle and Initial and these are the authorized people to do fall protection and you use it how I manage it. This way, there's no question that they've been that their training has been verified, Their work habits have been assessed, they've been audited and everything else goes into that. That's how I manage that. You may manage it another way they, the other thing is that they have to ensure that there is a rescue plan and procedures available and to be followed in the event of a issue where someone has to be rescued from suspension. Right? And we also have suspension trauma, which is a major thing where if you have someone standing or seated in fall protection for over five minutes, basically you have to consider uh they say nine. Some sources, but I've read sources as quick as five, they actually have to go and uh and verify that you have the rescue plan and procedures that are in place. The other thing is you have to review that with your crew. We mentioned and when I taught the class this week, we were old friends, everybody in this, I knew everybody in the classroom, three of them. I've worked with them for many, many years. And we were talking about another employee that we worked with not working there and we said look this person, do you remember when this person had the uh we're on a unit in the oil refinery and the oil and there was a fire there and he refused to evacuate because the area because he he didn't believe safety people, he didn't listen to safety people. That was what he did. He didn't want to listen to anybody if there's a fire, Where's the fire engine sort of thing? Not knowing that often, fire engines will stop way before outside the barrier limit of the unit, before they're not gonna proceed on the unit with all their equipment and everything. They're going to put it outside the barrier limit, right? Where things aren't gonna get damaged, refused to do it. You have to identify that type of individual in your workplace. Train them, encourage them incentivize them to listen to safety, all of that stuff that goes in there and some people that are just not gonna do that. And at that point you have to let human, it's not it's not a safety issue at that point, it's a human resources issue. And I think we all know what that means here. The confident person also has to investigate the mishaps related to falls from heights. So part of the confident person training has got to be some basic accident investigation stuff. I have to talk about accident investigations. It's very important Notifications, anything like that, they're supposed to know about. You ensure all damage were deployed. Fall protection equipment is removed from service and inspect all fall protection equipment at the frequency required by the manufacturer. That is the M- 385. The answer the 359 standard and industry standards basically mirror all of these things. But again you have to figure out what applies to you. But this is all of the basic uh there's all of the basic stuff a confident person that's got to do. Now. The end user meaning that the person involved at the end of this has to have an understanding workplace activities and how to use everything and inspect, maintain and store big thing in storage. And then you have the confident Rescuer which who is responsible for anticipating uh and planning the rescue stuff. Where you have your work with the confident person and program manager, go and work with the competent rescuer. And then you have the authorized. I'm sorry, is that the confident Rescuer? And then you have an authorized rescuer. What, regardless of what you're doing and regardless of what environment you're in, what you need, what do you need? You need a confident person, You need somebody who writes these plans. You need a qualified individual and you need a rescue and you need a user and you need a rescue team. That's what you need. Those are the six things and everyone has to be trained and there are different training requirements under the Army Corps of the Army Corps of Engineers. There's a whole bunch of stuff going on. I won't go into them. But typically the uh fall authorized user is usually one day or a half a day. My experience confident person two days usually or and under the Army Corps of Engineers, they have different requirements and those are going to be changed. So I don't really think it's worth me mentioning them. But what I do will mention is that if you need fall protection training give us a call a for 5 to 695772 or contact us at jim at safety words dot com lanyards. Now you're going to say well okay what about lanyards? Jim what about him? You have to know what your uh real simple what your equipment is good for, what are its operational limits and everything else that go on with that. So there uh several different types of lanyards. And the lanyard goes from the Anchorage point which has got to be rated at £5000. And the lanyard has to be connected to the uh Anchorage point from my D. Ring to buy clip to deering, not clip to clip or some kind of convoluted deering to deering but it has to be usually uh the Anchorage sling beam clamp something like that with a D. Ring doesn't have to be that way all the time. Not maybe maybe not depending on what you're doing but that's what companies are looking for are manufactured systems as opposed to a rope system. I've been on projects where we have everything on there, we have it with ropes, we're able to do have ropes and everything else up there and again, you have to be trained, you have to be a confident person, you have to be qualified individual, you need all that. And facilities have said no, that's a no go on there, jimmy. We want everything manufactured. And this adds to a lot of costs to the jobs sometimes. And the other thing is this, when you tell people this is what facilities are used to there, used to people going out there with ropes and there they are, the ropes will have to be rated. Uh, there's safety ropes, minimum £5000 on them according to OSHA. However, the typical uh, safety rope is rated at somewhere at 10 to £12,000 or more, depending on your system. And now that they have uh, fall protection systems on fixed ladders for, let's say, a facility that's already in use, that's already existing. That's what, that's uh, that's what they're doing. That's what we're doing so real quick here. And I'm trying to get the handout out here on the computer because I don't want to foul this up. You have several different types of lanyards and depending on the configuration of them, you could go to the website of the manufacturer and you could look up exactly what you can look up exactly what the uh, uh, fall for, what the requirements are for fall protection distances. So for example, you have a six ft shock absorbing lanyard With the shock absorber and you do all of the math. It comes out to around 19 ft of free fall distance. You have to have, you can look that up, but basically it's uh six ft lanyard, six ft person, uh six ft landed six ft person, three or four ft foot in the energy dissolving shock absorber. Then you have some stretch and a safety margin of three ft in there and you come up with 18.5 19.5 ft as opposed to a class a SRL self retracting lanyard or they're changing the name of those things. But you have a self retract lanyard, class a now you're down to two ft fall plus three ft of safety March. And now it's 5 to 6 ft and class V could be seven or eight ft and you can also have a freefall lanyard and that could be up to uh considerably more. And it all depends on where the Anchorage point is in relation to the individual. And then you can factor in what's called a swing fall, what's the moral of the story? It's not to go out there and make you be a professor professional on fall protection from, because you heard it on a podcast, even though that's what people did with uh that's what people did with uh covid. You know, they go and they listen to something and they hear, you know, they hear it on uh they hear it on the internet and then they go with it. And there's also one other type of lanyard, which is called the leading edge lanyard where if it's going to be over an edge doesn't even have to be a sharp edge, it just has to be an edge. Uh these lanyards are often uh uh snap and it does not take much. You can go and look on the internet for snapping lanyards. So that's all the basics and that's what we're covering for Fall protection friday. Next week we're going to talk about uh if there is a friday program, we're still working things out here. Uh were we're gonna talk about equipment inspection and things of that nature. So we're going to go and we'll put on a outro. Right? 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