this show is brought to you by safety safety FM dot Live will Hello and welcome to the Jay Allen Show., we're coming to you live from the safety of him studios in Orlando, Florida. As we have told you, from time to time, we will be bringing some different things to this version of the show. As we have transitioned over the last few weeks rooms of the safety FM flagship show to the jail in Joe. Well, I have to tell you, with this particular interview, I have been sitting on this one for a few weeks.  Thank you so as I am doing the recording of this and this is the intro when we are live right now on safety of him dot com and on safety FM dot live, I will tell you that this interview is one of these interviews that went on for a very, very long period of time. It is. I've always have told people that come onto the show. They are entitled to say whatever they want, talk about whatever they want. So I will bring this episode wanting you to know that this is kind of free range.  You come in here. We have the conversation and you talk about the things you want to talk about it be it good, bad or indifferent. On today's show, we speak with Tamara Paris Now, tomorrow. Paris is the host of the women in safety podcast. She also has been in the safety and health build for quite some time now. I don't want to take too long before we actually get to tomorrow herself. So please take a listen to this episode of the J. Allen Joe exclusively on safety of him.  We can do like a whole radio show. Like, right now, I could drop you into our radio station and we could go directly live into the interview. Oh, that's very cool. And, you know, I think that's kind of a new important thing to discuss because I myself and I'm grassroots. So I'm doing this grassroots style, and what I notice is that a lot of people they see the outcomes and Jason and Pedro and I actually spoke about the Cinar in are just a recent collaborative podcast is we're seeing a lot of outcomes on the Internet and we're measuring ourselves and others by that and when what we see out on the Internet isn't always what's actually occurring in the background.  I mean that that's the fun part there, because what happens, especially when you start taking a look at some of these things when you start comparing yourself to someone else that some of the problems that you run into. That's why I don't ever look at this whole thing where it should be a comparison style. It should just be more along the lines of Are you doing the work that gets you excited on day in and day out? Bases opposed? Teoh. What is Joe Blow doing down the road?  Um, and as he better at it, or she better at it at what they're doing? Absolutely, Absolutely. And when and when you can get to that place J where you're being your true self, um, and their struggles. I mean, sometimes you kind of bump along, but but I love the way that I don't even sure if it's called a podcast. What I dio is really cause what I do is I'm a community person and I'm part of the safety community, and I really found that were very disjointed And so my question out to the world was, How can we create more collaboration amongst us and more discussion?  Because, ah, lot of the time the safety professional will be alone in their role in the company. And so we don't really have those people previously to bounce your ideas off of, As least that's where I was 10 years ago when I started all this. And so technology is amazing because it really fills that gap. Well, I think that has made some connections out there for us. But I think that there still some of that fear aspect where you turn around. And there's some people that still look at this as a very competitive industry.  And if I team with you all of a sudden, this means that I am putting my endorsement argue and also at the same time, because I am quote unquote endorsing you. Now all of a sudden you might take away some of my potential clients or current clients because I have said she is good to go. Does that make sense? It does. It does, And it I mean, I remember we were kind of chatting on a thread like one of my concerns is this. This whole illusion that's been created about thought, leaders and influencers and this person is better than that person the end of the day.  We're just all humans going through life collecting experiences and what I really want to dio is just share my experiences, share my experiences because I've learned from them and hopefully somebody else will share. There's with me, and then we can have both of us learning new, different things because I don't want to go through it. A bad experience of somebody else has if I can already learn from what you've done, Jay well, enemy and that's kind of interesting. And you think that is really where I wanted to go with some of this because your experiences are much different than most people.  You started in this from a social worker aspect and then moved your way. Ford. So how does this journey start for you? That's the weird thing is I didn't even know health and safety was ever a thing. Here's a scary fact is that I worked for a good probably 30 years, 35 years out in the work world, and I didn't even know there was an Occupational Health and Safety Act. I didn't know we had laws in the workplace that were meant to make it safe. And I was a social worker.  And I just think that's really sad, wrong and scary because general Public should know about their rights in the workplace because we spend so much time there and I won't die aggress too much. Um, I fell into health and safety when I was actually on Roatan, Honduras, and I was helping some people put satellites upon to somebody's roof. And the person that we were doing was a health and safety manager. So that was my first introduction. I was about 35 years old at the time around that to health and safety.  You know, I'm gonna ask the rude question Now, what year are we talking about? That year, I'm going around 2000 and four. So 2000 and four, because it was just before my son was born. But prior to that, your social worker, you're doing social work. All of a sudden, you discover this person is actually in health and safety. So what kind of I guess attracted you to it his care. He came out of his house and he saw what the three of us were doing. And we could have been on linked in thread on a video with everybody in the industry laughing, their ass is off at us saying, Oh, look at those stupid people not knowing how to use a ladder that could have been us because we didn't know what we were doing, we'd even know there were rules to using a ladder.  Right is pretty simple. You take the ladder, you extend it, you put it against whatever you want to climb and you climb. But there's so much more to that. And we were actually climbing on the side of a house. So we're putting ourselves into a lot of risk that we didn't even know was there in this gentleman that came out who is the health and safety at a construction site in row Tan. They were putting up houses. He started to discuss with us what the dangers were and how to do the job properly.  So we're safe, and we took notes and we went. We got what we needed and came back, and he taught us how to do it properly. Bring your whole self fully human experience. 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No, not not Not right away, because I I stayed on the island for a while and, um, but I did started because I had a background in social work and I like to resort research resources for people, and I was helping other people do work. And so now that I was aware that there actually are safe protocols for work, I started to research that a little bit more. And through that, that's when I started toe to understand that, um, the Rotana IANs who were doing stuff like a lot of gardening that the different types of gloves that they could be wearing to protect their hands right?  Or the different type of boots that they could be wearing in order to protect their feet when they're using machetes. Like this is the real world stuff that people are dealing with in other countries that we don't even think about in our life. Like up here in Canada, right, Because not many of us are going out and using machetes to cut grass. And so, once I started to to intermittent great myself and talk to different people online. That's when I started to realize there was this this profession called health and safety.  And then I started to even educate myself more about How could I get into this? Cause is I looked at it as a social worker for business in a way. So this career change, though, were you? I guess we'll use the word afraid when you first decided to do this. I mean, you all of sudden you're doing some things you've been doing for years to go for something that you just recently discovered. You found some things online, but all of a sudden you're gonna take this leap of faith of really changing careers.  So how does that whole thing. Look for you at first. Is there fear behind? It was scary. It was very scary because I had a degree in social work. I had gone to university and I had mapped out finally what I was gonna finally do. Because if you remember in your post, everybody else was talking about their childhood dreams of what they were gonna be. I really didn't have any. And and so finally, at at a certain point later on in my teenage years, I like to work with people who were.  I worked with Alzheimer's to start senior citizens with Alzheimer's cause I'm very patient and I don't mind repeating myself. And then from there, that's how I started to work with people who were homeless, right, and people who were immigrant families coming to Canada. It all kind of fed in tow one another. So I had no idea that I would end up here in health and safety and so passionate about it. So the passion starts. All of a sudden, you're going for your first. What's a job gig?  However you want a word, it how does that whole process go? So all of a sudden you go in, they noticed that you have a pass and social work. They also noticed that now you have a degree in health and safety. How does that first job interaction on getting that first job gig? How does it go? Actually, it gets a little weirdo that for for my adventures of life is because after I was working on Roe, Tan and I had started dipping my foot into this thing called Health and Safety and leveraging now the safety manager that I had found on the island and really constantly going back and chatting with him about different things than you know, what they were doing in the construction and what we could be more implementing where we were.  Um, afterwards, I actually went back to Mexico and at which point, that's where I am met, Um, an individual who had a cc TV company, um, and securities. And so when I was talking to that person about the health and safety and things that I had learned, that person was like, Oh, well, you know what? This should be really in my business, too, because he had people going up to confine spaces for the clothes for the closed circuit TV. Yeah, yeah. You know, um and so, uh, because they were running the lines, the cable, right.  And so when you're running cable, you have to get into all these different spaces that we don't usually think of because we just see that the cameras on the outside we see the end product not really the process through. Yeah, but, I mean, they're they're going into ceilings, They're going into elevator shafts, they're going all over the place and that kind of work. So as you start doing this also, now you're inside of there. So that's technically your first job in health and safety, then. Exactly. So how does the process?  Well, no. He brought the, um he brought it over to this. He had stuff in the States and then started up in Canada. And so that's how that kind of led to their. And so that was my actual first job in health and safety. It was basically saying OK, you know, this is how it goes, right? You're the health and safety person now, because, you know, 5%. I think it's something it knows that way or it either goes, You're being punished. Now you're taking over safety. That's normal because you showed some sort of interest in it somewhere, you know, were very filling on the behavior side of the house at the time.  Is that what you're looking at? Is that kind of a process that you're looking to? Um, you know, when I started, I didn't even know at the beginning about the behavior and all systems and all that. Um, I just came at it like, Wow. Okay, So what do we need to do here to make sure that things are done as safely as possible? So I did. The only thing I did know how to do is a social worker, which was Go talk to the employees and I started having conversations with them saying, Okay, so you know, what have you found you need in order to help make this safer?  And what do they tell you? What was the return? Especially cause that's not normally based on what? Your telling me timeline. That's not the approach back then. So this has to be kind of ah culture shock to some extent inside of any organization. Well, you're a little shocked that somebody was coming and talking to them, you know? But they would give me some recommendations and ideas. I would go back and I would research them. And then I would bring back what I found. Sometimes I found better solutions.  Or sometimes the solutions that were given to me was better than anything else. I was minding up there, and then we would start implementing them. So essentially, you're kind of jumping out round country of the country year at one point from the stuff that I could find, you were in France. If you're the new, of course you've mentioned road and then also Mexico, you get back to Canada. So there's a difference in some of, of course, the requirements. So are you having to do all these back and studies on government request, especially providence driven based on whatever providence urine in Canada?  On how these health and safety things apply? Um, I didn't do health and safety in France. That was long time ago. You really that's what I'm supposed to be doing, isn't it? Yeah. No, Absolutely. Good job, J um, that that was a long, long time ago when I was younger um, and having some more life experience. The health and safety started really at row Tan. Um, so yes. You know, I was trying to figure out, um, with the government on the island, where if they had any expectations, which at that time they didn't.  But that brought up that conversation there. Um And then when you got to Mexico and stuff, I was learning from people who were doing it there, what was expected over there so you can go ahead will say, quote unquote subject matter experts around you that could help you within whatever the guides were for the area. Absolutely. Because you can't do it on your own. And anybody who's who says that they can. I'd be really cautious about because you can't know everything and you can't know what you don't know.  You have to learn from somebody you have to learn from something that's very difficult for some people toe to admit to, so that I always think it's interesting when somebody can come on, especially someone like yourself that can make that particular reference. So let me ask you a couple of strange things here. So you decide all of a sudden later on that you're going to take a step out on your own. So you're doing this now and all of sudden you're jumping out and doing your own business.  How does this come about? Yeah, see, I don't know, because I don't feel like I'm on my own. Um, maybe that's because I have the community around me, so I don't feel like that. But at some point, you had to decide that this is what you were doing. So what was the little meat where you I I don't have to be tied into a quote unquote corporation. I'm going to do my own thing. Now that you're asking me, J e. I never really thought about that. I just I had this bigger idea in mind about how do we get those in safety?  Because we're all over the place, um, more together and collaborating and working so that we're kind of focused, e I know. I'm not answering the question of the way you want it to be answered, but present learning from accidents, advanced investigation theory and practice. Have you ever wanted to learn about advance investigation theory and practice will? This might just be your chance. On May 7th of May 8th, learn from some of the best in the business. On Day one, Doctor Todd Conklin will cover theory and practice of advance investigation.  This workshop does not spend time teaching professionals how to do investigations. Doing investigations is not difficult. This workhouse spends the day talking about how to think about investigations, using the new view of safety as the presence of capacity in not the absence of prevention. 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We can provide you anything from guest speakers to full blown war shops. To find out more information, go to safety. Focus moment dot com That safety. Don't forget to tell them that you heard it here on Safety FM way are back on the J. Allen show on safety FM. Well, I mean, I look at it this way, and it's now that you have to go down a path that I'm looking for.  But at some point, I look at it this way, especially when you're going into the independent contractor area of life. You're either normally getting a consistent paycheck from Company X, or you're doing it on your own, where you're getting checks from A B and C company because you're doing work with them. So that's why I just asked that question off. How does it change and you're okay with it because that's Normally most people that get into this industry that's normally their their fear points starting off of how am I going to get a check week to week or month to month?  Or however, the pay period or pay schedule works on when the first go out on their own? Because it's not guaranteed. But if you're saying that you didn't have to have that, you didn't go through that portion. That's perfectly fine, because everybody's different. That's the great part about it. You know, I didn't go through that process in my head. Um, I mean, I was fortunate with safe Wikipedia that I know Scott and Jamie for many years, so it was just like a natural fit to be working in the safe.  A pdf thing doesn't come out until what, roughly like 2019 or so. But you're doing this on your own now for almost 11 years. When you say this, I might do, in your own words, so free on social media or where Theo, you're actually it says that you were independent for when I could find an independent contractor based on so ah, unless you were doing two things at once, sometimes I was doing two things at once. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I understand better what you're meaning now. So, yeah, people would come to me and I would be working with people on contract basis, but I was also having some job.  Okay, so that's probably probably so I was find them. So you were still doing a full time job, But then just doing this is a side gig, okay? Yeah, that's where the confusion is. Now, you've kind of cleared that up because I was like, Wow, you are one gutsy person all of a sudden just jumping out and don't care where money's coming from, so Oh, no, I'm a single parent. I do care where the money comes. So you Italian safe A. Pdf Many years later. From what I can understand, so is back in June of 2019 give or take in all this thing.  When you start doing work with them shortly thereafter, you decide to do your own podcast. What drove you here? I actually did a podcast before it was called the safety change maker. And why I decided to stop doing it. I guess would probably be the first question and then we can go from there. Um, because I moved over to the woman and doing the woman in safety podcast because I wanted to get that connection with other women in safety and bring more toe light about what individuals are doing in the industry to give more voice.  So that almost brings up a question that you sort of asked me in a threat over the weekend then. So if you decided to go what they show, that was focusing mostly on women. Do you feel that that actually Sarah Gates and silos people because you're only focusing on women in safety? Well, on the show, I do bring in other individuals, so one person would be a woman, and then the other guests could be anybody else. But that is a concern that I dio try to keep him mind in order not to do that.  So any particular reason why you went with that particular title in? Um because I am a woman and safety and to be quite up front with you, Jay. Ah, lot of time I struggled to have voice in this industry. And where do you see the struggle come from them? I'm not too sure. That's a hard question, you know? Is it part of our internal, um, making or what it is. So is it a concern? Have an answer that do you think that it's a concern related that it's a recording that someone will always be able to access regardless of timeframe.  So let's say, for instance, you, all of a sudden today stop doing a podcast. But if I actually have you set up as part of my downloads onto my my pod catcher, I can still listen to your episode even if you decide to pull them all. So somebody would still have access to the information even if you did have a flub. So is that part of the concern? What? No, I never ever thought of that because you said that the concern of the voice be so that's what I'm asking.  Oh, I meant internal voice out into the just, you know. No, I don't I don't know what you mean by that. Okay. Huh? So what I meant is like just having an, um, voice to a platform to speak. But with the podcast, you do have a platform to speak. Yes, That's right. That's why I I wanted to have a pot podcast in order to create a platform for people to come and speak. Because I don't don't think that people always get that. So you're present. You're providing a platform for people to come and speak that you.  So are you almost saying that you're the voice for the voiceless? You're giving them something that that you could normally would not be able to have. Well, I think anybody can create a podcast in this day and age so anybody could have it. I think, um, there's people like doing work, doing their jobs, doing life and the podcast that I'm hosting when I'm hoping is it's providing. People who normally don't get an opportunity to go on a podcast can come and share their thinking their thoughts, but but kind of strolling through some of your episodes.  Most of the people that come onto your show are related either as founders or presidents of where they actually work. Now you've had some a director or two on there, and some people that were actually program managers, but most of them are founders. Do you feel that those particular people don't have voice or a platform where they could actually speak. Oh, um, I don't think all founders have a voice. You know, um, I think it depends on the individual. Like I'm very open to having people on the show as guests.  But you're still hosting the show, and you are leading leveraging in the question person. So you're giving them part of your platform, which is also part of your internal voice that you're now sharing with the public. I mean, unless you're, uh well, when we do an episode, we collaborate on what? What's going to be talked about ahead of time? Yeah. So is that how you actually find your guest onto your show? So it's this is the subject matter, and this is where you go. You go hunting four, or is it more along the lines where all of a sudden, there contacting you?  And that's what you decided to make the show about? Um, sometimes I might reach out to somebody, right? Or somebody might reach out to me. And then once that connection has been made, then we collaborate about what? What topic is passionate to them that they'd like to talk about. So this is why I'm probably throwing. You often regards it is doing it straight without kind of any preplanned conversation. Yeah, that's right. That's the great thing about these organic conversation, though, because, you know, you don't know where we're going to go.  And I think that it kind of worked, at least in my opinion, and everybody is gonna be different. I think it works out a little bit better cause we take some twists and turns that we might not actually expect. And I think that it's a good side, depending on how you look at it. Of course, I'm normally the one doing the interview, not the one that's being interviewed. So it takes a little bit easier for me than what it does for most people that are on. Absolutely.  And I mean, the nature of what I'm doing is I'm trying to give other people an opportunity to hold the agenda. So I'm not creating the agenda for the show, right. But I'm sure that it causes you to do a lot more research based on that, because all of a sudden, if you're looking at like one year, I think your last episode, which was like Episode 10 and you have Sylviane and she's normally talking a lot about mental health. All of a sudden, you have to take a dive to some extent, even though it's some part of your past into the mental health aspect to be able to carry on that conversation.  Oh yeah, I know absolutely. It forces you to learn about different topics that you wouldn't necessarily have thought of before. But do you find it? Sometimes it might not be as informative to your listeners because you might not have a good understanding as the person that you have coming onto the show. And this is just a question, not thinking or anything. I'm just trying to understand how you how the thought processes and then actually kind of driving the whole sequence. Well, it is more about providing opportunity for community members to share their thoughts and ideas, So I doesn't I don't need to be the expert, the topic expert on the show, but it makes it interesting from ah hosting platform because you're kind of giving some general direction on how it should dio.  So do you look at it where when you're actually doing that particular direction and let's say, for instance, somebody is going a little bit further along than what you would normally expect. Do you know at that point if you should kind of gear them back to what you're trying to get the focus on, or does it end up being one of those things where all of a sudden it is, goes wherever it goes? It just goes where it goes like we we will have on some talking points it before, like we'll talk because there's two people that are usually on the on the discussion, right?  And so we'll have some talking points. So So we kind of have an idea of where, like some ideas of what we want to talk about. But if we start talking about one thing and it kind of organically goes somewhere else, we let it go like a conversation. And right now, what is the frequency that you have a new episodes come out every two weeks in de bulk record? Or do you actually schedule them out? I can you know, multiple reportings at one time. Or do you do a recording now?  Wait a few weeks and then do another one and then so on. Um, I do one recording and then wait and then do another one. And so then why? Like I don't have a whole bunch of of interviews that I've had with people in the can, like those people dio my and I'm only asking cause sometimes there's a lot of people that will reach out and go, Hey, kin, I beyond and so on, which kind of makes it very interesting. Um, I'm not a big collector of shows and episodes and kind of have things that are months planned out because I think that it could become very stale, especially as any things change inside of inside of our little area at the time.  I have a hard time with that, but I look at it and I go. There's kind of a blessing and a curse, depending on how you look at either some other professionals that I interact with that are in the podcast world world. They'll do 12 weeks at one time. I think that that's I mean good for them. I just would not work in my in the way that I do the show here. The other thing that I find interesting that you dio is that you actually have multiple people on at one time.  Um, I've done that on occasions. I don't do it all the time, but I think that it becomes a little bit more difficult in regards off conversation pieces in regards of what people are trying to dio. So when you decided to go down that aspect because even your first episode where you have Jason Maldonado and Regina McMichael on there, that's one of the ones that you have two people right out of the gate. I know that you had said earlier that you had hosted a podcast prior.  So you decide to go with the multiple Guest. Was that something that she wanted to do from when you were doing the other show that you knew that that was the approach we're going to start taking? Well, on my other show, I did let typical podcasting where you interview one person and it just seemed, seemed to get very flat to me, um, as a za person whose social and and likes toe have a non opportunity to hear different people's ideas. And so when I started doing this this woman and safety.  That was one of the things I really wanted to tap. Toe hold true on this, um, discussion form is toe have two people from the community join in and have a conversation. So for like example, Regina McMichael was the original guest and she invited Jason. Did you know this ahead of time? No. I didn't know she was gonna invite Jason. They both know, and I didn't know but either. So, Regina? Yes, she has the title president. A lot of people dio, but she just has a very small consulting firm.  Well, so you know, she's not like this, um, a big name person in the industry. Well, I mean, if you look at it the safety training ninja. I guess her moniker is pretty well known throughout the industry, depending on where you say Okay, at the time, I didn't know that, but I did figure that I mean, they both have really good books. I mean, Regina has a really good book. Jason has the book that came out back in September, so I I look at it and I go, You had some some interesting people on as the first episode, even though was in, like, your first podcast for a But it was something that had that, you know, that she had done previously, right?  Yeah. They, you know, the the the only person that I knew proceeding really researching the person was of on And JC good invited her. Was Candace Lightner from Mad. Of all the people that I had, when, when I when I contacted them or they contacted me, I had research a little bit about them and read that they had done some interesting things and then said, Hey, would you like to come and have a discussion night? Um, Linda Crockett from the warden place. Bullying resource center. Um, Shia and I have known each other for many, many years because I actually knew her back when I was doing social work.  Um, so do you know that off hand? But that doesn't mean anything. I'm terrible with names and faces. I see a face. I recognise that. I hear a name and I'm gonna go through who it is, And I'm most of times I deal. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's what Right. And that's okay. She she does a lot of work up here in Canada, Alberto, for bullying in the workplace, and she's been doing that for an extensive period of time. So what do you look to accomplished in the long term?  So you're giving people a platform, you're having them. Come on, you're letting them kind of give some general direction to the podcast and to your show in. I knew you're trying to help expand the community. How do you think that you're doing that? Or how do you think that accomplishment will end up happening by what you're doing? Well, I mean, I can already see by people networking together after the show like I'll I'll be told by people like, Oh, thank you for for doing letting me do the show because now I got to network with somebody knew that I didn't know, and that's very rewarding.  Lake on Jen Thorson and Ken Sad one. They didn't know each other before the show, but by doing the show together, two strangers came together and they had a common interest, and now they're they're networking. So essentially you're trying to grow worthies. People do not normally connect and and have yes, I won't. I hate the word followers because I think that it's so strange on that. That's what they use on LinkedIn and connections. I'm OK with followers. I think it's very weird. So are you looking to build a community around the people that are connected to others inside of the social media platforms moving forward and have your show as the catalyst?  It's driving that. Why didn't think of it that way? Um, I just thought it was kind of a neat opportunity to use a podcast toe. Have two people ton together and have a good conversation. So anything that you can tell us that's coming up next on the show on that we could be looking forward to, actually, um, kind of doing something a little bit different is, um you know, Jason and Pedrosa linked in, so we're all gonna be doing a collaborative podcast. Well, I know that you have a podcast, and I know that Pedro has a podcast, but I didn't know Jason has a podcast.  Okay, listen, doesn't have a podcast. Okay, Got it. I was like, I was very computer moment there, like I was has a social media safety moment or minute. Better saying from what I know, yes, yes, but it's doing the same thing. It's it's bringing more awareness about different topics of health and safety that we don't typically think about. So all three of us are doing the same sort of thing in in our own. So essentially, just to make sure that I have a clear understanding story. But so, um Pedra are going to have the same episode released, but just under your different titling Yes, interest?  Exactly. And when it and when is that scheduled to come out? Um, in a few weeks on my side, I dropped mine in his e X factor of safety is what I believe in this burger. Yeah, but that goes back to like that whole competitive thing that you were talking about in the beginning. Like I don't even see him as a commander. I mean, And I'll tell you, you're probably one of the few people that say that because I will talk Teoh other podcasters and broadcasters and they'll turn around and say how this is not a competitive space bite.  Let that 30 day mark hit of when a podcast came out and see them taking that deep dive on them, wanting to look at their numbers, because if it's not competitive, that should not be important. If it's not competitive, you should not be looking at what the comments are that people are leaving. If it's not competitive, it shouldn't matter who you have on as a guest. So I have a hard time believing sometimes on what some people say just based on some of the reactions that they have in regards of numbers and who they're coming, who they actually have on because as a podcaster, you can create the content whenever you want, and you can release it whenever you want.  Now, when you start getting into the Broady aside, which is a little bit different than all of a sudden, you have to have new fresh content that's going to drive on the audience, your direction, but also at the same time to you want to provide a good platform for the people that are willing to spend their time to listen. And I think that that's where I have some struggles when it comes to podcast in particular because on how some podcast are edited and they're very choppy, but that's my opinion in regards on how they're recorded.  And it doesn't go with the continuity of the actual original conversation. And you can hear the edit on the podcast when the person stalking you talk about my podcast cause I know I'm guilty. Sometimes i e It wasn't soapbox scenario is, if you listen to some of the other people that are out there and take a listen, you'll notice. And that's why I always like to talk to people, and I give them the platform for as long as they want. Some people you'll go on to their show, or they might have a show where they turn around and go.  It's a 30 minute show and that's it. In, regardless of where you're at its clipped at that 30 minute mark. Good, bad or indifferent or it cut down with some of the other information to get into that particular marks. So right, so your show doesn't have a particular leg. It does Okay, So, like, I could keep you on here for the team. Our actually, I you would not be the record holder. I actually have a guy that kept me on for 3. 5 hours. Oh, wow. I just told me I know that that's the funny part.  But when was one of those things that he kept me on for that period of time, But the way that it end of working, we were doing Ah, live broadcast of that worked out for some people if they wanted to listen to it and then the guy to it as well was it was going to one of our main feature stories that we were actually doing a collection of different people that were interviewing for the particular podcast aspect. Okay. And, you know, I kind of struggle even calling what I do a podcast to be up front with you, Jay, because really, what I want to be doing is providing an opportunity for people in the community to come and talk Come in share.  And I don't know, Is that really a podcast? Well, I mean, that is almost like a whole conversation that we could have of what is a podcast because they are showed different between each one. I mean, you can't really deem one as a certain thing. All I can say that they normally have in common is the consist of audio content. And that's normally about it. Because if you could have seen, for instance, became onto our network, you'll notice that there's a different podcast that we carry and shows where there's one where a guy talks to himself the whole time.  That's the whole show. And it's his ideas, and it's his storytelling. It's about what he's experienced in the field. And then I have another one where the guy is talking to himself the whole time, and it's about him talking about leadership. So I think it is varies. I think that what you have going on it is a podcast. But it's an ongoing conversation with people that are in the industry, and not all of them have to be industry leaders. They also can be people that are out there that are doing what we'll say.  Quote unquote the work in giving a different perspective. Then we'll say quote unquote of the people that might have on Lee name recognition. Does that make sense? Absolutely. And that's what I would like more of. On the show is people who are doing the day to day job you know. And so, you know, I'd like to reach out more to those people and encourage them that if it is, if you listen to it and it's something that you're interested in being a participant in just me, GM and and like you more than welcome to come on Well, I also in this is my opinion.  Do you have a difficult time finding those people that are willing to do that? Like, I'll tell you, there is a guy that I've been interacting with for probably about a year and 1/2 right now trying to get him on the show. If I told you his name, you wouldn't recognize him. But he's timid about coming on because of some of the other people that I have had on. So do you run into a difficulty of trying to get those people? Yes, yes, I dio. And that is something that's a challenge and a barrier that, you know, if you and I both could kind of work together, toe overcome, that would be great, because I do think that people who are doing the job day today they have so many valuable things that we could be learning from from, you know, sharing that.  I absolutely agree. I think that people that are actually doing the work have sometimes ah, lot better understanding than the people that are giving you. Well, say quote unquote potentially on what could occur. But that's, of course, an opinion. So tomorrow, if people want to Nome or information about you work and they go to get some more information, Um, well, I'm on LinkedIn. So that's the easiest place to connect with me, Agip. But if you're going toe, don't just send me a connection. Like, send me a message about what you want to connect with.  Like what? Well, what What are you looking when you're connecting with me and and keep it professional? And I know that you actually have a linked in group that you oversee. That's something to where they have to do a connection with you before they can become part of that. And how does that request normally go about? Oh, no. Anybody conjoined that DHS professional group, that's yeah, But if you're put connecting with me personally, you know, just don't send me just a connection or, you know, like, let me know what you're what you're looking to achieve through the networking.  I don't even like the word connection. It's more network. It is not working. I mean what it is, what it is better than follower, that's for sure. I don't get that follower thing. Well, it's just interesting on how it works, but I guess each brand's going to do their own thing on how they want to do that Well, tomorrow. I really do appreciate you actually coming onto the show today. Thank you. And this brings another episode of the J. Allen show to an end. 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