[00:00:00] :  this, This, this show is brought to you by safety FM. Warning. The following broadcast contains adult language, adult content frank safety discussions and stories that might sound unbelievable. But believe me, every one of those stories is true. We didn't start the safety war, but we are going to fight to win it for our families, for our communities, for our workplaces and for our lives. We've had a lot of issues today in the country, pardon me for a second. Thank God for cough buttons. Right. Uh, we've had a lot of issues today with hurricane iron or Ian, uh, made landfall in southwest florida as a category four storm florida Governor Ron DeSantis said thursday, that's the storm surge that came with. It was basically a 500 year flood event. We've never seen a flood event like this during a news. He said during a news briefing today in Tallahassee. Well, we've never seen a storm surge of this magnitude. More than 2.5 million people across the state were without power as search and rescue teams and first responders assess the historic damage. Large sections of the Sanibel causeway by the way, santa Bell outside of Fort Myers, beautiful vacation area. It's also featured in the Children's book Goodnight florida. Uh, one of the best seashell gathering areas in North America. I went there with my family a number of years ago and we had to stay that we had a storm up here in new york and we had to stay a hellish three more days in santa bell, I mean it was horrible hanging out there on the beach and everything else. But anyway, I was jokingly say that was a beautiful area. Hopefully they're going to be able to recover. I was asked today now because right now I, I live my life in like flashbacks if you're familiar with the old highlander series. Alright now the movies and tv series with uh, with Duncan, MacLeod and Connor MacLeod, uh Connor MacLeod was uh played by uh no uh yeah, they were played by Christopher limb there and the name of schemes for the second one. But anyway, everything seems like a flashback and as I recall back in the early nineties homestead florida was destroyed by a hurricane basically took 2 to 3 years to get back in there. I will probably have some updates on there from my nephew who lives in that area of the country who is a electrician. Uh, every time one of these storms comes through, he gets a lot of work out of it. So hopefully we could get some more information on the ground as far as I know no one in our safety FM. Family of hosts was uh, to seriously adversely affected by that as far as I know, I'm sure we'll find out more information. The day is coming, here's something out of London does every day of your life feel exactly the same with these years. Just flying by, are you on autopilot A study out of England says that it turns out on average the adults spend more than 10 years of their life on autopilot, autopilot following the same routines and rituals every day. According to a survey, a quarter of the 2000 British adults polled admit that they often drift through as much as five or more hours a day without any real thought about what they're doing and no, it equates to a lot of hours and days of doing things. Now, what I'm commenting on this one thing that they failed to do to really realize here and we talked about in the human and organizational performance all the time hop is performance modes. When for a review, you have three work performance modes, you have the lack of knowledge mode, you have the rules mode and then you have the skills mode and when you set up a work area and you are doing things you want low attention to task and high familiarity with the task because that yields to the most safe workplaces, the least amount of errors because we all know that accidents are primarily caused by human error and that human error can be taking the form of many, many, many different things. Now, what happens is if you're going to be high familiarity with the task, low attention to task. That is what we call autopilot, that is what this survey is the describing. So what do you mean? I usually start out my classes. Well, how did you get here? And most of the time, unless I'm working in uh Jersey city or new york or new york or some major city. The uh answer is is that they drive in and we get some new employees there. We got some new people, we got some people not familiar. I said well, how many people made a wrong turn getting here today? And some people raise their hand and I'll admit it. I said well, how many times you've been here? There's like first time here I blew by the venue, you got some long time people there, They're like, well, you know, I just came here. I don't know. I said, well, what happened describe you right now, I don't know what happened, but the reality is is that they're familiar with the task, right? Very familiar. Low attention. They're getting in there actually, in the safest mode possible. So in a way this autopilot thing may not be so bad, depending on your situation with that. You want to know your error rates for that. Human error rates are something are ridiculous. I'm not gonna throw numbers out there because that is gonna be well, jim know that we're not gonna do that, but that's how you want to set up your work area where it's nice and safe and what happens if I could go uh skip ahead a little bit if you're dealing in a disaster situation, like our people are going to be dealing with down in florida. What happens that disaster situation? Uh, you're not gonna be able to probably not gonna be able to get into that mode of work where everything is going to be. You're gonna be making decisions for whatever you're doing, whatever your job is, whatever you're doing. And when you are making decisions that and you have to make decisions. Your error rates going to be a lot higher Because you're making decisions. It's gonna be 10 times roughly the error rate than for what we just described. And what we are afraid of is when you go into a working environment, especially with disasters that you have, what is called the knowledge mode. You're in the knowledge mode and that is roughly 500 times more error related than the rules mode thing. And these are not exact numbers of course. But this is basically if you go in there and you don't know what you're doing, guess what you're gonna have a problem. But you can't remedy this, how could you remedy this? We give training on disaster response here. We are going to be covering some stuff with personal protective equipment again today and then tomorrow we're gonna perhaps do the most controversial of all PPE respiratory protection. We're going to have a discussion on. Here's another story. The FDA announces a new definition of what's healthy. The Food and Drug Administration announced new rules on Wednesday for nutrition labels that can go on the front of food packages include to indicate that they are quote unquote healthy. And I have hair quotes here under the proposal, manufacturers can label their products healthy if they contain a meaningful full amount of food from at least one of the food groups or sub food groups. And that goes on. You know, I'm sure that's going to go through some updating, some changing and whatever else as we go along here. But essentially they're changing that. I think it's this is what the thing is, what's healthy, very difficult to define. So, for example, if you are a normal person with a normal metabolism, you may have certain definitions of what exactly is healthy. Let's say that you are prediabetic or diabetic. I can tell you what those cereals out there that are leave people are perceived are healthy. Diabetic eats those things, you may have a blood sugar issue. Alright. You may have a blood sugar issue because you have to avoid carbohydrates or at least regulate and self care. And it's a very big and uh complicated thing to regulate your diet if you're diabetic because what works for one diabetic may not work with another diabetic. And it all depends on what type of diabetic you are. Type one or type two or as someone as a study a couple of years labeled that there's actually if you really want to get down to it. You have two major groups of diabetes. Type one, type two. But then you have a whole number of subcategories on their insulin dependent, non insulin dependent, you know, medical medication uh you know, uh managed the whole long line. But anyway, I digress. But what the thing is you need to consult with your doctor, you had and your health care provider on exactly what is healthy for you. Because what's healthy for me may not be healthy for you. And when you're doing disaster planning or safety planning, uh when you're doing disaster planning, you have to figure out what exactly your needs are for your workforce. So for example, your workforce may have uh needs that are may have needs that are very significantly different than anything else than everybody else. So for example, in my neighborhood, what uh we have a lot of Orthodox and ultra Orthodox jewish people here there, they have different dietary needs kosher. And then specifically what kind of kosher? There are several different kinds of kosher out there. You have to realize that do you have vegans on your in your workplace, Atlanta? No, all they is vegetables. I know of a couple of one vegan where she's not allowed to eat raw food, any raw food. So you figure out what do you mean? You mean crude, Right? She gonna have celery. She can't have that. No, she cannot have that. So it's important that you go and you assess this with your whoever you're responsible for what their dietary needs are. The other thing is this, We had mentioned this on the podcast before, We got into the live radio thing with food. How do you prepare for a disaster? You get the food that you normally eat? I would hate to find out what would happen if you have picky eaters and then you go out and you have a problem, you're in a disaster now that none of them like the food that you're eating, that 25 year old survival food that you've been been sitting in your garage for 10 years. They may not like that. And now you're dealing with the stress of a disaster. Then you have to deal with that situation. Now for a story that's completely the opposite, right to completely the opposite. Mcdonald's today has said that they are going to be issuing introducing the cactus plant flea market box, which is uh first of all, that's described as the first of its kind collaboration made exclusively for Mcdonald's fans by one of the most important brands and culture. I never heard of this place, but I'm okay, I'll take it, I will hear about a lot. I've lived a very sheltered life, right? It all starts with the box, which has been totally redesigned in cactus plant flea market signature style long mickey D's iconic golden arches. The box will be available essentially. What is this? And I'll have figurines. This is a happy meal for adults and who could be against a happy meal. It makes you happy, Yes, it makes you happy and we're all gonna be happy because we have a happy meal. There is an update to the story from yesterday, This is more or less about the Ukrainian war because right, we have a situation that's all ominous up in the Baltic sea. We have the, allegedly everyone's saying it's sabotage. Oh, it's sad claiming that the Russians are saying that biden's Western europe is saying, guys saying this, that wasn't saying this, I don't think anybody knows exactly what's going on and I think there needs to be an investigation and an open and frank investigation right now they're saying, well, it's sabotage. Okay, prove it sabotage. Right now, this is what I know it's impacting the environment in that area of the world along with the Ukrainian War War impacts the environment really negatively and things got to be figured out. I'm not gonna believe anything with this until I see an actual report with photos that is reliable. Well, we're gonna take a small break here and here we go in. The professional safety community communication and planning are just a few keys to your program success. The question many practitioners have is where do I start dr J Allen, the creator of the safety FM platform and host of the rated R safety show has built a global foundation to help you along the away go to safety FM dot com and listen to some of the industry's best and most involved professionals including Blaine Hoffman with the safety pro sam Goodman with the hop nerd. Sheldon Primus with the safety consultant Jim proposal with safety wars, Emily, L Rod with unapologetically bold and many others. As individuals, we can do great things. But as a team, we become amazing, dial into safety FM dot com today and surround yourself with a powerful force of knowledge and support. You are listening to safety wars Tomorrow's safety today, I'm back, my volume was turned down here. Okay, so going back with lawn mowers, right? There's a lot of, in the midwest, OSHA has identified uh, 35 workers that have died since 2019 with lawn mower roller incidents. Commercial riding lawn mowers can weigh up to £1500. 1 of the things is that most of these landscapers do not train their employees. They have no clue on what how to work. Say for anything else. Whatever they pick up is through experience or from another coworker, this is a problem. This is absolutely a problem out there with uh, with things. So, my, the thing and I had a little technical issue here, uh, is with gas cans, you want to talk about a dangerous piece of equipment. A dangerous item as a gas can. Most of the gasoline cans that carry gasoline fuel in this country at least most of them, if not all of them are Plastic that's not really legal to use that work are the plastic gas cans and they usually have more than 25 gallons, which is another problem of fuel. And the affordable containers friend of mine ended up was filling up a generator with one of them and the vapors got on fire. What's missing on those? The flash suppressors are the first things that go missing on any of these things. And what ended up happening was he ended up lighting himself on fire and it's horrific injuries and what what is this safety training you gotta, if you're responsible for a young adult, teenager, whatever it would behoove you to go since they're the ones who are the most, that seems to be the most of use the most unknowledgeable. Uh They may know everything, I believe me, I've heard everything. I I'm so smart, you're stupid, blah blah blah. And then you know, they're teenagers, that's what you're going to hear from them. And now you have an issue with, now you may have an issue with them with the uh with them getting injured. And guess what? They're not gonna know anything about worker's comp they're not gonna know anything like that. And chances are if you're the parent, they're gonna send him home hurt and then you're going to have to pay for it yourself and then commit insurance fraud saying that he got he or she got hurt at home. Uh One of the, it's one of those things young workers not trained, don't know what they're doing or anything else. Now. They have an issue going back to our, one of our earlier stories, US department by the way, you can get the training by going on to OSHA dot gov. Uh seeing and there's also a network called Safety FM. You might have heard of it. Uh there are many, many different uh programs on safety on here. Give any one of us a call but you can give me a call at 845 to 695772 or at gym at safety words dot com last night I had a listener uh contact me, I spoke to him at length. He had an issue at one of his job sites that we're going to be working with him to resolve that issue uh with that with that and guess what his company wants to implement? Human and organizational performance isn't that neat? And they're gonna hopefully be using us and our resources for that. The U. S. Department of Labor urges first responders recovery careers and the public to be vigilant protect themselves from hazards and hurricane iron recovery Atlanta. This is out of the Atlanta area office U. S. De. R. L. Uh OSHA reminds its first responders those involved in rescue and recovery efforts and residents in areas affected by hurricane iron or in to be vigilant and protect themselves from the many hazards that flooding power laws, structural damage, fallen trees and storm debris may create and storm recovery efforts may involve hazards related to storing electricity and communications, removing debris, repairing, water, damage, repairing or replacing roofs. You should have saw some of those videos out there. Uh one house, they had an almost real time. The entire roof came off in one shot, you know, and like one piece right, replacing roofs and trimming trees, only individuals with proper training equipment and experience should conduct recovery and cleanup activities. Uh protective measures after the weather should include evaluation of the work area. Right? Assessing the civility of structures and walking services ensuring fall protection when working on elevated surfaces, assuming all power lines are live offering chainsaws, portable generators, ladders and other equipment properly and using PPE. What does it come down to? There are many resources out there. We get disaster response worker training all the time. Right. And some forms, sometimes the official training, usually not the official, it's part of the 40 hour has a proper course because those folks are usually involved in some type of emergency response. It could be anything. And I guess what hazardous material spills and a disaster are are a thing. Alright. We did under my previous company, uh which I will mention the name, but under my previous company, we did most of the training on the gulf oil spill cleanup as a reminder OSHA fema and some of the other government agencies have extensive resources on disaster recovery. So if you're involved in disaster recovery out there, uh, make sure you fill out and you get in with fema and all the other government resources Now. Not later. I've been through this already with a, with a flood that we had in my house due to hurricane ida last year that you have to get those, you have to get on board immediately. Do not wait with that. And if you don't do that, you're asking for problems with that And beware of scams. All the scams are gonna come out. They came out every time that there's a disaster. There's some kind of a scam for the financial news for today. The That will get the down Jones in a minute. I did not write it down. The gold is up $16.73.90 of $2.90. Silver Is at 1914. up 14 cents platinum is holding steady at 8 94. It's fell 30 cents palladium 2245. It felt $2.10. Bitcoin is up by 84 50. Training at 19 4 97 ethereum is at 13 30 32 dropped 6 96 crude oil dropped slightly today 88.49. Today's national average for regular gasoline according to triple A. Is $3.78 home heating oil in new york harbor is 3 28 and low self O. D. User diesel is 3 46. Uh, I don't get it. They listen list things with my sources, new york harbor san Francisco gulf coast. I'm choosing, I'm just using new york and everything else is pretty much in the, uh, in the ballpark here. So we're gonna take a little break here and I'll see you at the end of the break in the professional safety community communication and planning are just a few keys to your program success. The question many practitioners have is, where do I start Dr J Allen, the creator of the safety FM platform and host of the rated R safety show has built a global foundation to help you along the way. Go to safety FM dot com and listen to some of the industry's best and most end involved professionals including Blaine Hoffman with the safety pro sam Goodman with the hop nerd. Sheldon primus with the safety consultant Jim proposal with safety wars, Emily L Rod with unapologetically bold and many others as individuals, we can do great things. But as a team, we become amazing dialing and we are back with Safety wars and our main story, we're gonna, so as a reminder, you could call us something, you have a manual safety where we write 52 safety minutes for your organization that are tailor made for your organization. You give us a call back at a 45 to 6957 70. Or more information or contact us at jim at safety wars dot com tonight. What are we talking about? What we talked about the other nights and protect today. So what do we have with eye protection? Usually people say I don't have to wear eye protection. It's along the lines of this. You have to do what we always do. Follow the hierarchy of control. So you're going to try to eliminate I hazards. Then you're going to try to engineer those. I hazard. I'm sorry. You're going to eliminate them. Then substitute one hazard for another. Then engineer it out. Put a barrier guarding things of that nature and administrative controls. And then lastly, PPE usually with eye protection, we go right to PPE almost every time. Even if you have all the other controls in place because if they fail the last thing, okay, they fail. But at least you're wearing uh safety glasses or appropriate eyewear and you're not going to uh no, that's the last line of defense. Some things I want to get through right and make the thing I protect safety glasses. Not like what they had in the old days in the old days, we used to have what were called BC glasses. That's what they used to call them. It's from a military term that my brother always used to that I never wearing the BC glasses and he used to wear. I gotta wear the BC glasses. And what they stood for was birth control because no woman would ever want to go out with you with those glasses on. All right. That was the joke. Ha ha ha, 19 seventies. That was a joke. But anyway, what you want is a pair and they have to be AnSI Z 87.1 approved regardless of the glasses. Now, the other question is, what kind of tint do we need? Well, it all depends. And there are different types. So for example, gray would be for outdoor uh applications, right? And then you may have uh indoor outdoor glasses where they uh it's like a transition lens, but they work for both indoor and outdoor. Then you have gold, blue and silver for whatever makes you comfortable out there, right? Whatever makes you look cool. And then you have the brown slash espresso for outdoor applications. And then you have the vermilion rose, which is uh for often for inspectors for those, they're like rose colored right classes. Like they I used to say then the amber, which usually is in low height, low light activities who have ever glasses. Now, what you have to find out what's appropriate for what you're doing. And you could also have. Right? So right now, I always recommend because it's for self sealing eyewear, gasket and I wear safety glasses. That gasket ID because those safety glasses are going to be the ones that uh those. Sorry about that. Those are the glasses that are going to be the ones that give you the most protection. In my opinion we did a study at one of the projects that I was on but we're doing a huge shutdown A. K. A. Turnaround. And we were able to reduce the eye injuries from first AIDS by about 90% and basically eliminated all eye injuries. Like asking that I wear, you have to figure out what you're doing. Are you going to need chemical goggles or dust goggles? Something like that. Again, all those the safety glasses and dust goggles, all that are ANSI Z 87.1 approved if they're not Z 87.1 approved. They're not safety glasses at all. So the people that go out there with the uh fashionable glasses, I'm not gonna mention the brand. They used to say well these are better than nancy and because that's what everybody used to say their bet nancy. And even the manufacturer was saying well these are better than nancy. Well then we have this thing called the internet and a couple of lawsuits and they put on their website, hey these are not AnSI approved glasses blah blah blah blah blah. You should still, they are not sent out for testing, they're not blah blah blah. So the big difference is they're sent out for testing. Face shields are not impact protective and you still need to wear safety glasses or goggles underneath it. That's according to the ANSI standard for this stuff and the ANSI standard which I recommend every safety professional get pretty much has everything in writing as to what appropriate eyewear versus what job you're doing. And of course you do have the welding shields. Welding shields are extensive, It depends on what your wattage is, your electrode sides, uh your what kind of welding you're doing. Things of that nature. But generally speaking, they give no the higher the number, the higher the number the world protection you're going to have. So for example, some things that may be appropriate for a uh shade number of four or five or if you're arc welding, that's usually gonna be 10, 11 or higher on that. You're looking at a solar eclipse. I believe the solar eclipse classes from like a caller somewhere up in the thirties or forties, shade on there. You can't really see anything out of them. But what the idea is is that you need to do an assessment and assess what you have, what your workplaces go analyze, then act, apply the hierarchy of controls of like safeguarding right and things of that nature. And then you're going to reduce the likelihood of an eye injury. The only ones you're gonna have after that are going to be from human error. And of course whatever you have trained the person, I'm gonna say this much is uh I recently got a pair of prescription glasses and I wanted to get AnSI Z 87 glasses. I told that to the optician and he said, and he was like new at the job and said, okay, well we have these and these and he hands me a pair of glasses that are very fashionable mimic and AnSI Z 87 glasses. But they were not AnSI Z 87. And he said, well what's AnSI Z 87? This is made out of safety glass? I said, look, whoa, safety glass is something that's something different in certain areas of the, of the world. They still use glass for spectacles. And what that is saying is that these glasses, when they said safety glasses are not gonna shatter and go into your eye doesn't mean that they're rated AnSI Z 87 glasses said, oh, I said they didn't tell you that when they were selling glasses. No, they didn't. We've been selling. I said, I have to say Z 87 he said, okay, great. Before I know it, he's a listener to safety wars. And uh what it comes down to is if you're getting prescription glasses, they do have, they absolutely do have uh glasses that are Z 87 approved that they are very fashionable and not the old fashioned BC glasses that uh people in the military used to joke about. So occupational hearing protection, I'm gonna tell you right off to that. I'm hearing a disaster uh where you're hearing protection? The iphones and android phones. Do you have an app on their for measuring sound levels? They're not, it's not necessary if I'd, I wouldn't sign a uh no swearing that that's accurate or not. We'll use them if you're over 85 decimals on that. Absolutely. I would use hearing protection. I have. Tonight is everybody who's been listening to the show knows that it's a nightmare to deal with at times. Also not something you want to mess with where you're hearing protection, that would probably be in what you're what you need for that. Let's talk a little bit more. We're gonna cover some more mint and we're gonna do respirators tomorrow, respiratory protection to finish out a disaster preparation month and I'll have a special message at the end of tomorrow chemical protective suits and high visibility clothing. Real simple. I'm gonna tell you this right off the bat. Please use the correct names for clothing. Alright. Always do not use colors. I know of two injuries that are horrific because someone was told to use a yellow suit and they were using the wrong quote unquote yellow suit. They were not using the property if you want the whole story, you're gonna have to hire me, you know, because I can't put that story out on the air. But the basically it came down to both situations? The people said use either a kEM suit or a yellow suit. What was the other? The other one came suit. They didn't define what that was. So what do you think happened? Of course the person picked the wrong suit or was supplied with the wrong suit. And at both one had superficial burns. Chemical burns. The other one had fourth degree chemical burns. Right. When you say jim, there's no such thing as 1/4 degree chemical burns, I'd say google it. That means that it went through the skin, went through the fat and went into the bone and the underlying tissues and it was extremely painful. You needed surgery and it was just a nightmare to deal with. And the organization I dealt with still till this day calls things by colors. They didn't learn their lesson because it's easier to say that. I said, well, do you realize that when you use colors that something like 25% of the people out there are color blind to a certain degree. Oh, really? Yeah. Really? That's why we don't use colors. We use proper names. And the other thing is the person doing the procurement should only buy the suits that are approved by the safety professional or whoever is appropriate there. They don't go out. Oh look, these yellow suits are $15 a suit. These yellow suits are $8. They're both yellow. I'm gonna buy the $8 1 and then it's the wrong suit. That's why you use the correct words for those. Now, what with, basically there are three ways a chemical protective garment will you can have problems, you're gonna have penetration. That means the bulk movement of material through somehow an imperfection. A hole, a gap in between the interstitial spacings. Things of that nation nature, you can have permeating testing, right? That could be where the movement of material from one side of the barrier to another or degradation where the change is in the material. Usually it's uh either cracking or discoloring of the material, right? And through the scene. So what kind of seems to be that are they sonar? They surged and the sonar they found. Are they taped or they double tape? All that goes in there. That all has to be done by a qualified confident and experienced person. You just don't go down to your local hardware store, your chain hardware store, pick out, oh I'm gonna buy a uh uh suit and I'm protected from everything. That's not the way it half works. You can also have fire retardant clothing or flame resistant clothing. How far c There are generally 2 uh two types. The important thing is that this stuff gets certified by someone as from either NFI A. 21 12. Which or which is for by the National Fire Protection Association. And that is for like petroleum or petroleum hazards, chemise hazards. And the other one is an FDA 70 E. Which is for high voltage electrical applications. They both have all different types of levels of protection in there. There has to be an assessment to it. Now, the scary thing is this and you go on certain facebook groups and other social media groups for the refining industry and you go on certain websites, you could actually buy the labels. So if you're a safety professional and you see a shirt that looks like it came from a department store and it just adds FRC labels on it. There is a chance that those were bought online and sewn on the shirts something you know, and they can yuck it up. Oh we got one over on the safety person. Guess what? I got this. So you gotta make sure. So how do we get around this? Workers should only be wearing the uniform. The company is supplying them. If you allow outside FRC onto the job, you're going to get this situation from happening. I caught a couple of people over the years and I said that's not F. R. C. I'm sorry poly cotton short sleeve shirt is not F. R. C. I'm sorry, it ain't gonna happen now because I know that sort of thing. Uh check to make sure that it says fire retardant and everything else and they all have to be wandered, especially right there are special handling requirements for laundering all of this equipment. Some of them are inherently fire retardant and they have less uh requirements. You can basically throw them in the regular laundry depending on what the label on it says with the manufacturer says. However, let's say you have a treated material, you may not be able to have that treated material as uh you know in the regular laundry because what's gonna happen, the fire retardant chemicals will come out. Uh The other thing is that people like to put them into use that fabric softener. A lot of these things do not allow fabric softener. Just F. Y. I. American welding society also has uh they don't have a standard but they do require the american welding society with their safety standards. Yes, they do issue safety standards do require welding jackets and uh other PPE for welding. And there are they're pretty good resources uh for that. I've read through them and they are last I checked they were free, I don't mean you pill for them. I mean they're actually free. The last type of protective clothing I'm gonna talk about is high visibility clothing. Back now the standards changed in roughly 2015. Most of the jobs I go onto and a lot even in warehouses, all of them have uh all of them have a requirement for fire retardant clothing of some sort, I'm sorry of uh high visibility clothing of some sort and you had to make a decision with your uh with your uh safety staff and everybody else, you have to make a decision what's appropriate. So there are, this is going to get a little confusing on air. There are three types and three classes. So you have type O off road Class one. Typo is uh basically it has reflective material on it. You know, it's class type O Class one because there's a label on it. Always read the label. So they listed as if you're exposed to off road activities, they're not gonna be in traffic. Then you have type are known as roadway, right? And they have class two or three. And those are people that are exposed to traffic. Uh essentially what are we looking at? Uh We're looking at uh your classic vests that are normally in. Uh I found a typo here, hold on. Uh No, you're typically they are lime green or safety green or laser orange. There is also in the ANSI standard for this. There is that's ANSI standard 107. There is also a color chart on there that what's acceptable for the colors. And what happens is these uh The class to you does not have as much reflective material as a Class three. So, those are for like road construction work or flaggers, if you're gonna be depending on where you're gonna be in traffic directly exposed to it or not directly exposed to it. The and then you have type P for public safety. Normally those colors are a little bit different, Maybe a little bit different, but it's still with the uh reflective material on it, depending on whether it's class two or three and depending on what you're doing. So for example, I'll see E. M. T. S. Or police in blue, firefighters in red and there are all different types of colors. The thing is this, what you need to do is find out is calling out in your safety plan specifically what you're doing because this is what happens. There are companies out there that market high visibility clothing that it does not meet ANSI standards and the employees will buy it and guess what? Someone gets hit, someone gets run over and there's an injury and it may have nothing to do with PV or the vest right off the bat. The employee is gonna get blamed for not wearing the proper vest because they're gonna say that is a leading indicator uh that they were not intended to safety and that's your corporate culture. It sucks. Believe me, it happens. I've seen it happen. So I make it a point to actually call out with this thing. This is what we're gonna use. This is acceptable. This is in the contract documents. If you don't like it. It's in the contract documents. I don't want to hear anything uh that I have to be a jerk sometimes, you know, we have to be a jerk with this. You can also have what's called a class E item where you could uh those are usually pants, overall shorts, rain pants or gators and classy makes everything a Class three basically. Uh except for the O which is still going to be an O. And you're gonna have a non rated high visibility. Usually people let people get away with a safety green or yellow and a blazer in shirt or something without reflective material if they're not going to be exposed to traffic usually uh workplaces will allow you to get away with that. 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