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The Mandela Effect
November 17, 2020
Today on The Jay Allen Show, we discuss the Mandela Effect. What is the Mandela Effect? Find out more on The Jay Allen Show. We might make you think about some things differently.
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[00:00:00] :  this is visited. This show is brought to you by Safety FM. Hello and welcome to the J. Allen Show. Hopefully, everything is good and grand inside of your neck of the woods. Well, a lot of things going on in this world of ours, and we have to talk about the different things that are going on now if you're in the United States of America were roughly about a week and change away from Thanksgiving. Now, the interesting part about this is that sometimes in life, this is a grand time for some Ah, bad time for others and so on. But as we speak about this today, what I would like to cover is the following is how different will this Thanksgiving look compared to every other Thanksgiving to date? And I'm talking in our lifetimes. Of course on let me tell you exactly what I mean by that, Of course, with Covic cases surging in the United States in some people recommending that you don't have a get together with friends and family during this time just because of the social distancing aspect, how different will it look this year? Now we're not gonna fall into the whole section here about people went from Halloween directly into Christmas. Decorating Thanksgiving is still a thing. Friends giving is still a thing, but how are you looking at this? Sometimes in the holidays, some people tend to get depressed. Some people don't seem to be extremely happy. Some people are full of joy, but I think this year might be a little bit different. So of course, there's several different things I want to cover today. I don't want to it just to be one section, but I want to talk about this first because I think it's extremely important as we do talk about this time of the year. So let's talk about that subject that sometimes people want to talk about and sometimes people don't, and that is being depressed. Also, contemplating thoughts of suicide during this timeframe seems to actually bring up some or during this time. And, of course, we're seeing some cases related to suicide going higher during the pandemic. So I just don't want this toe, ADM or stress to it. Yes, it's always important to check up on your friends and see how they're doing. But let's say, for instance, right now, Okay, You're someone who's suffering of depression. You're having these suicidal thoughts With everything going on in the world. Don't get me wrong. I know that things currently are not easy, but this is what we need to talk about for a moment. Now there's a phone number that you can call, and there's people readily available that you can talk Thio. And that is 1 800 2738255 1 802 738255 or 1 802 73 Talk. This is the phone number for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. They could help prevent suicide. The lifeline provides 24 hours a day, seven days a week free and confidential support for people in distress. Prevention in crisis Resource is for you or your loved ones and the best practices or professional. So, like I said, they're readily available. I know some people don't feel comfortable doing the phone call aspect, but you can also go to their website Suicide Prevention lifeline dot org's at Suicide Prevention Lifeline dot or GTA. They do have a chat box readily available where you can actually have a conversation right there inside of the chat box. Now keep in mind, though, although they do have an 800 number, they're unable to receive text messages at this time, so those are the two options that are readily available. Please take this conversation to something serious to discuss, because it is some interesting times at the moment. Please understand that there's re sources that are available for you by contacting this number. There's people that are there in readily available that can actually help you out. That's me. So think about that during these interesting times with Cove it and the holidays coming about. Like I always tell people if they don't feel comfortable making that phone call, you can always reach out. Tow us here, its safety FM. I always know there's there's people that I can put you in touch with that might be able to assist with furthering that conversation anyways. Like I said, 1 802 7382551 802 738255 or go to our website safety FM dot com. Or you can also go like I said, Suicide prevention lifeline dot org's So let's talk about some other things. So let me just tell you straight out of the bad Here. We do not have a guest today, and it's just gonna be a conversation between you and I. So I have to tell you, as I've been sitting around taking a look at some of the different things that are going on inside of the world of safety, it's pretty interesting times. As you know, everything's changing. The market's changing we're seeing now potential vaccines coming into place for covert 19 people getting excited, stock markets in certain section, going high stock market and other sections going low. That could be important, depending on how you want to take a look at it. In the United States alone, we're seeing tons of new cases being reported. We're seeing all kinds of deaths as well, so it becomes a very interesting time overall. What's the right thing? What's the wrong thing and what's to do next? So it made me to start thinking about a lot of things when things used to be simpler when we had simpler times in our life, when we were focusing on X, y and Z not just everything else that's going on inside of the world. So as I was doing some research and doing some searches online as well, research is one thing in searches online or another. I'm sure you've heard me reference that before. If you take a listen to the other show that I host is well, but I was looking at something in particular that is called the Mandela Effect. Now, I'm going to tell you, as I do talk about this today, we will have some links inside off the information portion of the podcast. That way, you can take a look at it yourself where you can see exactly what I'm talking about. This might be something that it might be a little bit mawr interesting if you have the visual aspect of it as well. So have you heard of this thing called the Mandela effect? Some of these things might actually just change the way that you think about things, and this could apply to so many different things. But let me kind of give you a reference point on what exactly I'm talking about. So let's start off from there. The Mandela effect is the phenomenon that makes you question even the most mundane memories from the past. So in other words, look at it this way. It's a recent refinement of false memories that typically refers to pop culture or current events references named by the paranormal researchers. Fiona Broom is basically remembering something that doesn't match with historical records. Fiona has referenced that she loves the idea of the Mandela effect or others claiming they distinctly recall different events of details that could be proof that we're existing in an alternate reality. We're now for sure that that's the truth. But these comparisons between popular belief and reality is making our jaws hit the floor as I actually record this for a moment. Let's start with the reason we're all here. Nelson Mandela, who this theory is named after, died in 2013. However, countless people distinctly remember him dying in prison in the 19 eighties. But his death isn't the only example of the Mandela effect. We have been wrong about so many dates, details and bore. So let's talk about some things that people tend to remember and not remember. Do you remember this? And of course I will, Like I said, have some links available for you to take a look at some of this stuff. But do you remember a cartoon when most of us were younger? That was called loony tunes? Was it Looney Tunes? Was the tunes portion spelled T U N E s or was the tunes version spelled T O N s? I always like to ask these questions because there's so many different aspects of this plays into now. Do you remember this lovely, lovely little movie from a long time ago called Star Wash? Think about this for a moment. What did exactly? Darth Vader? Saito. Luke Skywalker. Luke, I am your father. Honestly, this one is the one that cuts the deepest. Perhaps the most famous movie line in history wasn't even said all we really said. All he really said during this portion was, I am your father Now think about how many times that that movie has been quoted where people say, Luke, I am your father. Yeah, If you don't believe me, you can go back to the movie and take a look right there. Another example of a movie where this actually plays a factor as well. Hello, Clarice we don't know what's scarier. The fact that we remember Hannibal Lecter saying Hello, Clarisse or the reality that he only said Good morning, Yeah, he only said Good morning. So where did it come from? How did we come up with this? Another portion to think of of the world of the world. Yeah, I said that twice, just in case. Oh, and your favorite song, The Mandela Effect, here to ruin that, too. So here we G o. Well, we all think of Freddie Mercury's belting Out of the World at the end of We Are the Champions, but it is never happening. However, Freddie does sing the words at the end of the song during the band's famous Wimbley Stadium performance. That's the time that he's saying it. Here's another one to think about. You remember the theme song to Mr Rogers? How about this? You must sing. Lyric is because it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Now keep in mind that Tom Hanks recently starred in the movie about Mr Rogers, but even the filmmakers got it wrong. It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood. Ah, small but mighty blow to our memories if you take a look at it. So so many different things there. So how about this one number of U. S states? The correct answer is 50 obviously. But some Americans and foreigners alike recall learning that there were either 51 or 52 states. Funny how that happens. Now, let's talk about this one real quick. Do you remember Smokey Bear? Yeah. That's his name. Contrary the proper believe his name is Smokey the Bear. No, it was Smokey Bear, But funny how a lot of us tend to remember that differently differently on what his name actually was. How about this one? Real quick. Billy Graham's death. Like Mandela, many can't place Billy Graham's death funeral aired on TV. That's probably because it didn't happen a long ago. He died in February of 2018. So interesting on how these things happen. I'll give you another one real quick space shuttle Challenger explosion Due to the tragic accident that took place on January 28th of 1986 there are a number of people who thought it happened in 1984 1985. Yeah, I know that it's kind of a small number, but hey, it's still a number that people tend to remember. How about this one? Patrick Swayze is health. Though the actor sadly died after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, people have said they remember him recovering. But he didn't. That's the interesting part. How about this other one? Real quick. Learn how to DiCaprio's first Oscar. Though Leo finally took home his first Oscar for best actor in 2016, countless people argue that he scored one much earlier. It's easy to get this one confused, though, because he was previously nominated for five other ones. But he never won. And I'll give you another one real quick location of Disneyworld Castle. If you've never been to the Magic Kingdom, do you recall where the castle is located? Some, even one Orlando local on Reddit clearly remembers it being at the entrance of the park, which is not the case now. You're probably sitting back for a moment and you're going, Why are you talking about all of this on your show? Well, this happens a lot. We tend to remember things that are not quote unquote exactly the way that they happened, and I want to bring this up because How often inside of a work environment does this occur as well? I'm talking about anything, and I really want to narrow it down to accident investigations. Yes, I did use that term normally accident investigations or stuff that we look into when something major has occurred inside of an organization. Now, we're not talking about catastrophic events at the moment. We're talking about accident investigations. So as you look at this and you're able to have discussions with people, how do you think these memories do occur now? Of course, accidents, investigations, inside organization or not, pop culture events. But how do you think that that plays a factor? How do you take a look at the different aspects inside of the organization? How do you know that you're getting the actual data of what actually occurred? I remember an accident investigation that I was at many, many years ago. I was speaking to the lady That was the person on the scene, the witness of what occurred, and I remember talking to her, and she told me that she was doing X, y and Z. She heard the accident and then turned around and saw what happened. Well, How can that be? How did you hear the accident and then saw what happened? You can't be facing one direction here with something that occurred and then see the accident, can you? I mean, I guess it kind of varies on what exactly was going on, but that's some of the stuff that we have to think about. We're using people's memories on how they were called a situation and taking it as we need to move forward with it now. There's nothing wrong with people's memories to some extent, but we're not perfect. We're not computers. I'm not saying computers and perfect, so let's make sure that we're clear here. But we have to look at this different aspect for a moment. How do we tend to remember the things that have occurred? If we are fallible, there's so many other discussions that can be had. There's so many other conversations that can be had out of this. Now, I will tell you people will probably fight tooth and nail when they go back and take a listen to certain aspects of what we're talking about here today, especially the stuff with Darth Vader. But it's amazing on how our minds tend to play tricks on us from time to time. And I will tell you, has the famous Axl Rose from Guns and Roses said many, many years ago. Time just tears the pages and our book of memories. His quote from the song yesterday. How do you look at these things? How is there a better way to do this? I'm not saying don't do accident investigations, but how can we depend on somebody's mind to remember things exactly how they did occur? And I'm not saying hey, put surveillance cameras everywhere. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, how do we test these things? How do we have these conversations and know exactly what have might have occurred during an accident investigation? How many times do we think that something was being done correctly, taking the accident investigation out of it for a moment inside of the organization that was not? And to an extent you have to hear this in determined that we as humans put a narrative on most things that we dio and we can sit here for a moment and say okay, the way that our mind process data that has how the reality is created for us. And believe me, we can get into some ah, whole other philosophical conversation talking about that because think about this for a moment as we sit here, Think about a problem that you might have had. Think about how you gave thoughts to that problem. And the more you thought about it, the more difficult that problem became because you were giving it mawr and mawr thoughts. You might have felt anxious over having that thought. You might have felt nervous over having that thought. You might have felt frustrated over having that thought, But then you pull back for a moment and you stop thinking about it. You're not looking at that problem anymore. Are you still frustrated? Maybe to some extent, but not as much as you were by giving so much thought to it. This is why sometimes people say, Why don't you sleep on it and come back and rethink it in the morning or at a later time? Because you have to readjust, think about these things and maybe even change your mental model as you move forward with it. Hey, I'm not saying it's a perfect strategy. I am saying it is a strategy, though, and I'm not going to sit back today and say, Oh, yeah, some people's minds are perfect and they can bypass all of this. It's kind of our own narrative as we look at it. So, yes, can we have some fun with the Mandela effect? Yes, what we're talking about pop culture. But what can you put into place for? Maybe it to be better? Now I can tell you, as we're talking about it, is that we could go across and say, Let's have several different people. Think about it. Let's have several different people talk about it. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's correct that way, using the Mandela effect as an example. So inside of your organization, how do you investigate accidents? How do you verify their processes and procedures were actually done correctly? Have you thought about establishing learning teams? Have you thought about using that as an example? How do you capture data inside of your organization? Believe me, there's a lot of people that want to provide data to you. Don't get me wrong, and believe me, I'm not going to turn around right now and go, let's do the sales pitch for this great data service. That's not the thing, but we have to look at how we are gathering data. I look at it and I say, Maybe the whole concept of learning teams is so important inside of organizations. I look at it and dio, how could we actually start gathering data That makes sense that we're not putting the Mandela effect on? Let's be realistic like I've told you once before, and I'll probably say it 1000 times more. Our little podcast is not going to solve the issue. Our little radio show is not going to solve the issue, but it is conversation points to move it forward. Can you overcome the Mandela effect? I don't know. I don't think a lot of people can answer that question. That's the way that our mind work. We tend to remember the things the way that we want to to an extent, keep in mind some things to change. I can say that again, but this is what we need to talk about. How do we actually make our systems understand that failure is something that's normal even when it comes to people's minds the way they remember things. So don't wanna harp on too long with this, but I definitely wanted to give you some of the fun aspect off the Mandela effect. Hopefully, you can take some of these learnings and go back into your organization into your teams and have that lovely conversation and see how you're able to move forward with it. I think it's so important of a conversation tohave because realistically no system is perfect. No person is perfect and we can have that conversation for a long period of time. Anyways, as we're getting to the end of the episode here today, I'm so looking forward to see what 2021 is going to have to offer what this holiday season is going to look like. And I really hope that you're able to enjoy your time as we're going into the holiday season. Anyways, I thank you for always taking a listen to what we have going on here. It's safety. FM Safety FM is the home of real safety talk. Anyways, we couldn't do what we do without you. Thank you for always supporting what we have going on on the station. We really love the interaction. Without you, we would not be doing what we're doing. 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