[00:00:00] Allen: dragging up six things show is brought to you by safety. Oh, what do you get when you bring together safety professionals from Alaska, Montana? In East Tennessee, you get a podcast. Whether twang hosted by Alan Woolford, J. R. Kitchens and Betty Stout dragging up 6.0 is on the air wherever you go on the Internet, dragging up 6.0, is there with you dragging up six point dot com it This show is brought to you by Safety FM. All right, y'all, thank you for joining us on today's podcast, dragging him 60 We have got one of my oldest friends in the world. Shane Oliver is now come over to the safety side. His background and experiences are similar. We were both medics in the military, both in the Army. He's got a lot of background in mechanical maintenance and traveling all over the United States, filling in for a variety of positions, and in the recent years, he's just finished working on his degree with Colombia Southern University. He is working on a job site up in Michigan currently and is one of my oldest, dearest friends who will chew my ass out if I misrepresented. So, Shane. Thank you, brother. We're glad you came on the show. I know this is kind of quick after, you know, you just did a podcast with Linda, so we appreciate your time. 

 

[00:01:30] Shane: That's all right. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. 

 

[00:01:32] Allen: So Shane. Where are you right now? You are in Michigan. Did I get that? Correct. 

 

[00:01:36] Shane: We're on the job side and Warren, Michigan, one of the automobile plants. The company I worked for. They re model and redesigned the paint sections of these car plants. Right now, we're at the tail end of the of the job. They're starting to commission some of the equipment. Hopefully, we could be out here pretty soon. 

 

[00:01:52] Allen: How long you've been up there? 

 

[00:01:53] Shane: Well, the job was initially supposed to start around the middle of March, and I came up here in March on then with the cove in 19. Everything got delayed. The governor of Michigan shut the whole state down. They sent us home, so we ended up coming back up here at the later part of June. That became a safety problem initially because after all, we're already three months behind we should have been finishing the project at the time we started it, 

 

[00:02:16] Allen: right. So you gotta push going on that way. 

 

[00:02:18] Shane: I'm not sure if it's much of a push, but you know how it goes when they set target dates and there's money involved and you've got investments going on and production halted and everything else and I didn't know the entire plant was gonna get tor down. But there's other contractors out here. We're one of nine primary contractors, and so we have a bunch of subs working underneath us. But the entire plant, the body shop, the assembly shop, everything has been tor out of this plant, and now they're pushing to get it back up and going. 

 

[00:02:44] Allen: No. Do you know if this is a time of material or is a hard dollar? 

 

[00:02:47] Shane: That was That was one thing I told the management upfront when I address the fact that we were already behind is that I really could care less about their scheduling problems and all that. All I really care about is the manpower. 

 

[00:02:58] Allen: Obviously, brother, I know with your background that be a big thing. Betty, what would you like to ask 

 

[00:03:03] Betty: Well, I have a question of because I know you came from the trade, the field and stuff, and and, you know, when you convert it over to safety, you went through the bachelor degree. So my son right now is just started in college, but he's going for electrical. I did kind of pushed the college instead of a trade school. Um, because I know how life on the road is really hard, and it's hard to get a good paying job at home. You know, in our area, you're gonna make 18 bucks an hour topped out. I was just kind of curious. If you were talking to a young person trying to figure out if they're going to college or trade school, what would you tell them? 

 

[00:03:41] Shane: I guess, Of course it depends on the area they were in, whether unions were strong or whether it was non union work. But somebody going into electrical knowing what I know is Harrah's, the mechanical elements of the plant. I would encourage somebody toe focus on PLC electron ICS I t technicians and PLC s because everything's gone so automated with robots and everything else you don't see just a whole lot of manual operations anymore. All the interlock devices and things. All that stuff goes back to a mainframe somewhere. So the computers told if the door open and shut the machine off. If something breaks a laser shut the machine off. If there's a jam, shut the machine off. Somebody has to do that programming. And generally, of all, the electronic or the electrician's in the field. There's a PLC guy sitting back in office somewhere, eating sandwiches and watching videos on his phone and a lot of 

 

[00:04:26] Allen: money. A lot of money. Uh oh. There goes the shower. I was hoping to get in on this. I have a question about it. Yeah, well, you're welcome, buddy. Uh, my question is Excuse me. My question is, is e no, you mentioned union people in working in an auto plant. Obviously, it's union driven. Uh, do you find that is almost a tie down a restriction, or do you get along pretty good with the union bas and whatnot to guide your employees in a safe manner? 

 

[00:04:57] Shane: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this that this has been absolutely the worst project I've ever been to in my entire career, and there's a variety of different reasons from the safety man's viewpoint. Ah, lot of these people are not trained. The state of Michigan, particularly has something called Michigan, must be safe. And this is a learning management system, computer modules that these guys are required to do annually, subject and content in them. It follows the lines of OSHA 30. It's not quite as long as the 30 hour, but it follows the same lining. And, you know, just like any other online module, a person could be sitting there playing on Facebook and eating dinner. And every now and then go wiggle the mouse and click a button and move on, and it shows in the field. To be honest, I don't know a single working person or helper that would work the way I've seen. Some of these guys work what's deemed as acceptable behavior out here. It's I mean, I just can't even believe what I'm looking at. And I know early on in the project, I walked in the field and saw some things, and I was stunned, and I didn't even know what to do. Uh, you know, instinctively as a professional, You wanna stop everything that you see. That's wrong, Sure, but you don't when you don't have support from management and things, because some of those management where workers at one point themselves and never got training 

 

[00:06:12] Allen: right from workers standpoint, it's like you're almost a pain in the butt, a safety guy that comes on the job because they I really, really appreciate. If you do this or do that, do you find zero? Help it all from from the Union on those guidelines 

 

[00:06:26] Shane: that absolutely zero help. It's been mostly negative interactions and rebuttals. We had a lot of incidents occurred, and I've had several elements of management. Tell me well, the reason we're having all these problems because all the travelers we got and I said, What does that have to do with anything? Well, you know, these guys from out of state, they don't get the same training we get. I said what again? What is that supposed to mean? The O to me what state you came from, what block you grew up on and whether you had two parents in the household and things that has no bearing on zero in here. I mean, And then the guy told me, Well, you know, we got all the car plants and the steel mills here and I said, Yeah, we got those in the South to wear good 

 

[00:07:10] Allen: moonshine way We're talking about that earlier, 

 

[00:07:13] Shane: but by him saying that that's implying that Michigan is the best and everybody from outside of Michigan is not trained and not a good worker. And the fact of the matter is, what I see here is a majority of the Michigan people are the ones that are not training, not very good workers. E. On And I've been trained myself, So you can't say that I've never had any training, and that's that's not talking about the safety training that's talking about the worker in 

 

[00:07:37] Allen: me, right? Prerequisite should be that they're all all in the same page at the same time. So that excuse Aziz, you well know is way off way off the chart and they should come around and go. Hey, man, you're you're the boss of safety. If you feel like it needs to be better orientation and more detailed orientation to keep my people safe, go ahead and do it. That should be the right way to do it. Uh, not fighting against you all the time. And, man, I feel sorry for your brother 

 

[00:08:05] Shane: on. I could say this to, uh I'm not gonna name off the plant that I'm working in, right? One of their competitors, I've been told, is a very strict and very safe facility working. And they have so many safety people walking around that you can't hardly. You can't do anything because you don't know who's safety and who's not. And they'll they'll give you one chance, and then they run you out. And a lot of these people have worked in that facility or those facilities on during orientations. I asked him, You know, if you came from a safe place and you learn how to work safe, please keep on working safe. Don't use your free for all people that work in new plants and refineries. I mean, most of those places where you can you can't pick up a pencil rather than the pin without filling out another JSC 

 

[00:08:51] Allen: notice. It's no Children. The nukes, actually, somebody coming in from that. Yeah, that's true, Alan. A prerequisite, man. If you don't have a J A J every day. Every job, then then you're you're up for determination. I mean, that's just the way it's gotta be. You know, you could have dead bodies all around the plant. You're not gonna have very many workers, that's for sure. But they don't realize 

 

[00:09:13] Shane: way ended up with a slew of different incidents, and I brought into the management team. Listen, it's way too much. You can't just say, Well, this is construction. You're gonna have that on these big jobs. I mean, for such a short term project that we're on. We've had mawr incidents just in this short term projects, and I've seen in several years on accommodation of projects. 

 

[00:09:36] Allen: Right. Well, Shane to two questions I was asked to ask you. And this is from guys we worked with during the USM project. So I'm not gonna give the names until after the broadcast. But two things that I was asked to ask. So, you know, you're talking specifically about that site, but we're gonna talk about all sites in general because you're not been quite a few. Do you think when we're working with and this is all safety people when we're working with, like a contractor, a vendor and you run into safety issues, Would you say the number one issue is lack of proper training for that location, lack of training period or management service port? 

 

[00:10:18] Shane: At one point when I was early in safety, I might have answered with one or the other of those answers. But at this point, some of the things I've seen, I believe it's a combination of all three. Because, for example, like I said, they have this learning management system here. Well, that that's cool. But if we're gonna talk about all protection, for example, and stay the OSHA 30 just talks about falls from roofs and I'm not planning on building houses, then what good is that gonna do me inside an industrial facility? Or if I spend the whole day discussing industrial facility and you're gonna go build a 7 11 then what good is that gonna be? 

 

[00:10:50] Allen: That's kind of funny. You brought that up because that was the second question. You know, you're talking about fall protection, I'll let you get back. So with this site and this being the national stand down week, you know for falls and construction. Did you happen to see or participate with any of the contractors or subcontractors? Did they actually have a standout and talk about fall protection may be leading edges. You know, uh, controlled access zones did Did the people that at this current location they had they actually observed this. 

 

[00:11:24] Shane: I actually conducted a brief stand down with the guys that work directly for the company I'm representing. And then I have one more safety representative with our sister company and he conducted to stand down. Now I don't step on him and, you know, go over there and question what he says or anything. I just do my own. The thing I've brought up several times with these people out here because fall protection is one of the bigger issues I've run into with these guys is the training isn't just about whether you're at 6 ft and you got a harness on the training should be how toe identify and select the proper equipment for what you're doing to take a look around. The first step you want to do is make it to where you can't fall it all, and then you rely on your fall protection. But a lot of these guys, for example, you know what the monkey tail is. I've never seen so many of them up in my whole life and so many 

 

[00:12:16] Allen: scaffold builders. So that's kind of 

 

[00:12:18] Shane: so many of them using correctly. And when I asked these guys, do you know what that's for? Oh, yeah, to make it easier so you can reach over here and put your yo yo on and said, Let me tell you something that not much of any of fall protection is designed for your comfort and convenience. Not hardly any of it on. And there's several of them that, Well, I'm not several. I would say The vast majority of them can't even tell me what that monkey tails for. When you're talking about climbing up, you know, a 30 or 40 ft man ladder or something. And you, yo yo down, hook it up to that monkey tail. So when you get to the top, you can attach your pelicans and then detach from that. But what's 100% full protection mean? Well, you got to stay tied off is what they'll answer. Yeah, but 100% fall protection means at no time should you ever be disconnected from the system. And I guess nobody's ever called them in those exact words toe where it made sense to answer your question about Is it training or direct training for the job site? Your ad? That was one thing I learned when I did. The 500 course was, You have to create and design your own training package based on the employee's first of all to cater to that adult murder and then based on the facility you're at 

 

[00:13:20] Allen: right. And that's a big issue, that there was actually a huge fight. I shouldn't say fight. But a disagreement on linked in today because of a certain safety professional was showing imagery of training and action and stuff, and someone just was like, Well, they didn't have mass social distance. They didn't look at the training that was being provided and just immediately stepped out with that. But one of the things that just think wits actually put out there was that No, the training has to be per site. Not everything's gonna have the same type points. The same has communication STS stuff, so I'm glad you said that. 

 

[00:14:00] Shane: That's these guys. I have some, for example, to trigger their thinking. Tell me fundamentally what happens when you fall. What happens to the body? Does it lean over like a tree slowly, or does it suddenly step off and drop? Or does it lose its balance and fall backwards uncontrollably, where you can't catch yourself and you know, that's that's the thing that I want them to look at? And then some of the methods they used for anchor points is just outrageous. Then if a man climbs 8 ft and gets on the iron and walks over 15 ft, how far does he fall? 15 ft. They say, no, he only went up 8 ft, and when they start creating this anchor system, I'll tell him, Pull on it, see what it's gonna do, you know, because they step over this and go around that and jump over that and, you know, pull on the system and see what it's gonna do when you fall. Is it gonna pull tight or do you need to move the anchor with you? You know, in orientations? I'll ask him if I'm climbing up right here and I'm planning on working 25 ft down. What all tools do I need to carry with me? Because what you see is guys go up to the top, the anchor off, and then stretch a 25 ft yo yo out. Max it out Wherever there working at, I've even seen one guy disconnect off the yo yo and let it go. It did a yo yo effect, and they set up three or four different anchors. But each one of them was at the point where the entire yo yo was maxed out. And then they reconnect and then let the other one go. I mean, just a lot of foolish stuff I've seen on this job side 

 

[00:15:22] Allen: before. I turned you over toe Betty and Gerald with additional questions. I'm just gonna ask you something, these air completely off topic, it's just to break the conversation. So if you're giving a training class and you're looking at Betty and J. R, and I, do you want us to imagine you standing there naked or does that help you relax any? 

 

[00:15:42] Shane: I'm gonna hang up some of those fake bones that you had in your office 

 

[00:15:45] Allen: before. Well, Okay, Well, I mean, you know that. All right? So if you had unlimited funds and I mean, Betty emptied her bank account. No offense, Betty, but I know you got to save up for the babies and all, and j r. And I chipped in. If you have the unlimited funds, I kid, you know, where in the world would you go with Caitlyn Jenner on A Just to get to know you date 

 

[00:16:10] Shane: my wife would kill me if I said, you know, uh, my wife has very little experience traveling one place I got to take her. And that was old Orchard Beach in Maine. And she's been begging me to take her back there. And if I could go anywhere, that would be the place. Otherwise, we have a friend over in Germany, in Belgium. Hey, showed her a little town. I think it's called Bessemer. It's called Fairy tale land. A place in Germany. Then she wanted to go there. 

 

[00:16:40] Allen: So she's just totally blocking Caitlin altogether. Correct. 

 

[00:16:44] Shane: Yeah. We're not talking about Caitlyn Jenner. 

 

[00:16:46] Allen: Right? Last question. Good answer. Last last question. How many tattoos do you have on your right side? 

 

[00:16:55] Shane: Uh, well I stopped counting tattoos and started counting hours worth of tattoo work. Done. I've got close about that. A little over 200 hours tattooed on me. Now 

 

[00:17:05] Allen: on. That's just right now, or is that right? Now, uh, 

 

[00:17:09] Shane: from my armpits to my wrist, both arms. My right leg. 

 

[00:17:12] Allen: I've actually seen a statues except for his tramp stamp. I've never seen one on 

 

[00:17:17] Shane: one of my one of my chest, one of my back. And then I have a humongous one done on my my rib cage last Christmas. Let me tell you, if you feel like going to get that tattooed on the rib cage, rethink your idea and put it somewhere else, because that is a horrible, horrible place to get that. 

 

[00:17:32] Allen: And that's how we learn from from knowledge. Lessons learned. 

 

[00:17:35] Shane: You're thinking for me? Yeah, we're going to 

 

[00:17:38] Allen: this piercings. It took me forever to hold his ass down for that. Betty, what questions you have for Shane and and non safety related. If if this was one of those things where you had to get to know a coworker really quick, what's something you'd wanna ask him? 

 

[00:17:55] Betty: How many junk drawers do you have in your house. And what would I find in them? 

 

[00:18:00] Shane: Oh, man, there's at least one in every room. He said. Junk drawers. Does that e think there's one in every room of the house and one of my toolbox, at least? What would you find in there? 

 

[00:18:09] spk_3: We find? 

 

[00:18:10] Shane: Well, I'm a I'm a paper order. So there would probably likely be a bunch of old male and folded up paper. There would probably be a drawer that's got miscellaneous pens and markers and tape and whatever. E don't know you're subject to find just about anything in my house. 

 

[00:18:27] Allen: J R. What about you, brother? What would you like to ask him? That's non safety related. Not that this is an important Shane. But, you know, one of the things is where I think it's important. You know, I wanna get to know you better. You're a hell of a cook for those that don't that have never wasn't gonna ask that he could smoke some meat. And I mean HR friendly manner. I tried. Every time I try to smoke anything, it's really I'm not a good ending, but you you work those 12 hour shifts you work? Seven of them. 30 of them. You're done. You're 90 days. Whatever. I don't know how many hours you work in. Uh, well, safety 24 hours a day. But what do you do when you get off? You go home. You kiss the wife, you pet the dog. Uh, kill the cat. What do you do to relax? The 

 

[00:19:15] Shane: one thing I'm looking forward to the most is being able to go back home, be with my wife and my daughter. My daughter is four years old. She just started school this year. We already had her well, on her way. She's a brilliant little kid, but she's learning how to draw her letters. And she's starting to recognize things around the house. And this kid could have Ah, you're probably good podcast. Just with her. She's smart enough to talk. Thio? Yeah, a stuff some 

 

[00:19:42] Allen: cool. Well, that that's a good way to relax, man. So do you play golf or baseball 

 

[00:19:48] Shane: or anything like that? I'm not really the sporty type. I don't watch sports. If I had any free time, I take one of motorcycles out and ride them around. But I've learned from traveling that I like to spend my money at my house. So when I do get home, I could be comfortable That zio because it was in my past life I would say that when you're not comfortable in your own home you start seeking that comfort outside the home And 

 

[00:20:10] Allen: yeah, not a good thing to dio 

 

[00:20:12] Shane: just important to me. Thio My home is comfortable. I have nice things and and I enjoy it just just being at home. 

 

[00:20:18] Allen: How do you prepare yourself and not to get off the easy to go subject. But how do you prepare yourself before you go to work? Not at work, but before you go to work. Yeah. You pulled yourself up gut. Yeah, that's a great question. 

 

[00:20:32] Shane: Do you mean wake up and go to work in the morning or knowing them? Thio 

 

[00:20:37] Allen: Well, knowing you're gonna goto work, you know, when you're you're gonna go on, go work where you have to travel or whatever, But how do you prepare yourself mentally? Yeah, tell us. I'm 

 

[00:20:46] Shane: telling you what I'm pretty spontaneous, and, uh, I don't easily fall asleep at night. I'm subject to be awake to the middle of the night, and so I'll run on only about four or five hours of sleep. Soas faras getting up and go to work in the morning is just a drag toe. Turn the alarm clock off, get up, go to work. But assed faras the traveling aspect of it If I knew I was fixing to go out of town, I've done it so much. It's not really a big deal to me, but it doesn't get any easier at home as far as having to say their goodbyes and things just, you know, this is 

 

[00:21:15] Betty: what we've 

 

[00:21:15] Shane: got to be. I tried to have the conversations with the wife that this is what we have to do and work with me and those kind of things, but it doesn't get any easier. I don't care how far Ugo and or how long you stay gone when you come home. It's never long enough. You never get to see enough people. 

 

[00:21:31] Allen: Hints being home with the Children and yeah, yeah, yeah, that Zhar to be away from, that's for sure. Currently currently, how How long? How many days have you been away from home? Currently? 

 

[00:21:44] Shane: I was working on a job site in Texas for a little over two months. I believe I was home for Mother's Day weekend. I came up here and that was that weekend. A Father's Day. I was able to go home for a couple of days on August 1st for my daughter's birthday party, and I've been back here ever since, So I'm not. I mean, I haven't counted the days, but it's been since about the end of April. 

 

[00:22:03] Allen: Wow, that's a long time. Hey, Alan, that's that's all I have, buddy. And I wish you nothing but the best on your fight through the safety canal, at work or anywhere, for that matter. And thanks so much for being on the show. But 

 

[00:22:16] Shane: all right. Thanks, Sarah. 

 

[00:22:17] Allen: So Shane. You know, we're gonna turn this around a little bit. What do you want to know about Betty in J R. What do you wanna ask them? 

 

[00:22:23] Shane: I listen to your your podcast with Betty, and I know she graduated from the same school. I heard her make a comment about the school about feeling like she got sold short. If you could go back and redo the curriculum to get your GSP would you have done that and not take the S P 

 

[00:22:39] Betty: e? I would have 

 

[00:22:40] Shane: let me tell you that I came in. I started enrolling at the school at the end of 2016 and I didn't actually start until April of 17. But somewhere in that time, they were becoming the qualified academic program. And a bunch of emails went out to students indicating they were gonna have toe redesign their curriculums or their degree plans if they wanted to. If not, they could just graduate and not get the JSP. But I didn't get that email. And so all that time I was supposed to finish school back in in January, And then I had the school called me and explained it all to me and ended up having to take five more classes. There were a lot of classes I learned in. And then there were some of the classes that I feel like we're just you were almost given the grades. You feel the same way about that? 

 

[00:23:22] Betty: Yes, Ideo. I think the curriculum when I went through, which was prior to 2016 was very easy. And I've seen the curriculum or some of the curriculum on the classes since then, and they have done a phenomenal job of redoing the curriculum. So it's, ah, lot more challenging. I don't wanna go back and redo my bachelor's degree. E would have. Yeah, I would love to have had that curriculum when I went through that program, 

 

[00:23:50] Shane: I'll tell you guys a secret. Dr. Martin was actually gonna be one of my instructors back in December before they changed all that. And I didn't actually get to take her class. And when I did her podcast, nobody knew the secret that that Alan mentored me and got me into safety. So I was ableto break that out in in both podcast, I guess. 

 

[00:24:07] Allen: Yeah, let me tell you. He and I were on a job 2013 out in Memphis and he did an entire 132 hour program on his phone. I mean, every break, Every time he went to the bathroom, I'm guessing in the bathroom. I wasn't like this. Followed, extra going. Hey, are you watching the same video or nothing? But I mean, he was just knocking it out. And when it came to East Tennessee for the US nitrogen job and he was available. He was one of the people I asked. Hey, came out helping. That's how we were neighbors in the Cabinet. I mean, he's just skyrocketing. And the great thing is, these guys background in the trades. Shane this from the bottom of my heart. You know I love you, man, but do you think your experience in the trades help you to be a better safety? Doesn't give you better insight. What? What are your feelings on? You know, haven't been on your tools prior to going to safety. 

 

[00:25:09] Shane: Well, my first answer that is I don't think I'm a better safety than anybody, Really? My knowledge in the field and having worked in so many different facilities, I look at things from a different perspective. And not only that, but from being a worker, I can anticipate what people are doing before they do it. For instance, they're fixing to go shimmy across, um, iron or something. You know, usually I can see the things before it happens, and I'm able to stop him. Hey, what do you got to do? And that kind of thing? Similarly, when I was on my tools. I had a kind of open heart for the helpers, for the for the new guys. And I do the same thing, a safety. I focus a lot of my attention on the apprentices and the, you know, the lower level, lower skilled individuals. Even keeping that in mind. Almost every time I've heard about a major catastrophic event, it's always been somebody that has 2025 30 years of experience, people that know better. It's hardly ever the apprentices to get hurt. I know we had that one episode in Nitrogen, the young man that got the glove, but that happens a lot less frequent than the people that have a lot of experience. But all that knowledge in the field doesn't translate towards my clerical abilities. Yes, I can use a computer. And yes, I could make a spreadsheet. And, yeah, I know how to make power point presentations and things, but I don't like doing it. And there's people that air that are really good at it. Our friend Drew's. He and I worked very well together on this project, him being a from the project management administrative side of running jobs He does very well at that. And it complements our ability to run the project effectively. Whereas either one of us could do either the field or do clerical part. But if you flipped roles, we would both struggle. I would constantly be asking him for help, and he would be constantly asking me for help. 

 

[00:26:49] Allen: But it's where it's supposed to be gassed, 

 

[00:26:51] Shane: you know? But I'm trying to learn to not sell myself short. As far as a clerical, things were concerned. But the idea that safety could be managed out of an office is absurd. 

 

[00:27:01] Allen: Bye. Hey, man, I agree, man. Well, brothers, we love you. And, you know, I mean that from the bottom of my heart on we're appreciative if you're coming on, especially after your debut with Dr Martin, you know, and coming down tow our level, which it's were the same level. But, you know, we'll probably reach out to you again because there's a lot of questions. I mean, we've had so much happened over the years, Brother, We love you. Thank you. Very radio. And I 

 

[00:27:29] Shane: appreciate you guys have me on way. 

 

[00:27:33] Allen: Understand your fight, brother. We understand it. Yeah, and I wish you have more time with them. Shain, I wish you know we'll come up. We got some more shows coming up talking about training and why, uh, you know, safety pisses off people so bad. I know it sounds like an odd show, but there's been a lot of stuff to come out the trades lately about safety. Not so much about what they're doing about, you know, butting heads with management. So we appreciate you way. Hope we didn't, uh, you know, take up too much of your time tonight and we're thankful for you being out there. 

 

[00:28:07] Shane: No, no, I'm completely grateful for this. You guys don't have any idea that I've been connected with a bunch of you on on LinkedIn for a long time, And people may seem to make remarks here and there, but after Dr Martens podcast. I mean, I've drawn a lot of attention to myself All of a sudden, I expect is probably gonna do again when they hear this. 

 

[00:28:24] Allen: You bet you. So we make our money. I mean, Betty's air usually candy, but we're gonna throw you under the bus now. 

 

[00:28:35] Shane: Many do you live there near where Alan is. 

 

[00:28:38] Betty: No. I live in, uh, close to the US nitrogen job in Greenville. I live a town over. 

 

[00:28:44] Shane: All right. I've come through there a couple of times and try to hit a Ballon. And he was busy at the time or I didn't give him enough heads up. Noticed, But it was in route to hear back home. So one of these times, we'll be able to get together. 

 

[00:28:55] Allen: Oh, yeah. We'll go down to Yoder's and get us a BLT on Wednesday and absolutely go give. We'll go get Betty some shit. Take pictures for Jr. 

 

[00:29:03] Shane: My wife. Yeah, What Bo Jangles was. And now where we live there in South Carolina. Gangel everywhere. So I got to lighten their on on that 

 

[00:29:11] Allen: man. They got Popeye's and more stone. You wouldn't believe it on. I'm so happy. Yep. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate. Hey. 

 

[00:29:17] Shane: All right. No problem. 

 

[00:29:18] Allen: Thank you. Thank you. Hey, 

 

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