Safety FM with Jay Allen
Anton Guinea
February 16, 2021
Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay speaks with Anton Guinea. Anton Guinea is a motivational speaker and a survivor of a tragic accident that changed the outcome of his whole life. Hear this inspirational story that will change the way you look at safety.
Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay speaks with Anton Guinea. Anton Guinea is a motivational speaker and a survivor of a tragic accident that changed the outcome of his whole life.

Hear this inspirational story that will change the way you look at safety. 

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[00:00:06] spk_0: Well, hello and welcome to another glorious edition of the J. Allen show. I really hope that things were going well inside of your neck of the woods. Hopefully, you had a fantastic Valentine's Day is we're just coming out of that. Well, today we have the opportunity to speak with Anton Guinea. As a 21 year old, Antun survived a near fatal accident which changed his life and his outlook forever. For over 15 years, he has been dedicated to supporting business to upgrade their safety

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[00:00:39] spk_0: Anton shares Insights provides actual methods, coupled with powerful concept and tools. So let's get rolling with this conversation between Anton and myself right now on the J. Allen Show,

[00:00:52] spk_1: Jay

[00:00:53] spk_0: Show is streaming now on safety FM dot life just like having a realistic conversation and going from there. And I guess I'll start off with the most simple question and also the most difficult question all at the same time. How did you get? How did you get involved in side of the world of safety?

[00:01:09] spk_1: J. It was a fair while Go. Where would you believe I actually did this really silly thing called sticking a still rule on a switchboard during some work that I was doing.

[00:01:20] spk_0: I hope you're joking. I really

[00:01:23] spk_1: I know. And and sadly enough, I'm not on. And I say that I got into safety the hard way when that switchboard that I was working on blew up in my face, and I sort of suffered really severe second degree burns and spent months recovering and having a skin pulled off and, you know, all that sort of gory stuff. So I came to safety the wrong way. J is probably the best way of saying that by learning through a real personal experience that was sort of quite tragic, tragic at the time and probably could have been a lot worse. In some ways, I was probably pretty lucky to survive.

[00:01:59] spk_0: So let me ask this the strange question then. So what were you doing at the time before the incident actually occurred

[00:02:05] spk_1: and made so important? Toe Try to unpack that you know, in mind, because after something like that happens, like I still recognize this p s t d thing that goes on or ptsd thing. That goes on, and for 10 years I was sort of trying to unpack that for myself so I could actually move forward. And rushing was a big deal. So I was trying to impress. Basically, Now, having studied psychology, it feels to may like everything else was a priority other than safety in that moment, if that makes sense. So my personal safety was really on the back burner because I was trying to. E was trying. Thio, be a fast worker, was trying to save Time. Was trying to save five minutes on a five minute job, was trying to impress the person that I was working with. And all of those other things were way more important than going home at the end of the day. Safely.

[00:02:57] spk_0: So roughly, Timeline. What are we talking about? What year are we looking at when all this starts occurring or actually occurred? Better saying

[00:03:04] spk_1: we're talking 1994 j like forever ago, mate seriously, and even though it does still feel like yesterday and and the nurse of the times that I you'll be right, you'll be, you know, healed in a couple of months and you'll forget all about it.

[00:03:18] spk_0: Boy, Were they wrong, Right?

[00:03:21] spk_1: Absolutely. Janet's sort of one of those significant emotional events that you have in life and there's so much pain associated with it never un suffers around you. Yeah, it's not that easy to get over Major's. You could probably imagine.

[00:03:33] spk_0: So let me ask you a couple of strange things here because as you go through this because this is definitely a life changing experience, there's no ands ifs buts about it. So you go through this, you're recovering. You said a few months, but of course, mentally, this has impact on you. I would imagine more than just a few months. We're probably talking years at this point.

[00:03:52] spk_1: Oh, absolutely. J and I really believe that it was 10 years. It took me 10 years to unpack why it is that I was willing to do something that one that I knew was wrong to, that I knew could go significantly, badly and then three to actually follow through after, even after knowing ALS that and then taking this personal action that resulted in and at the end of the day, it's totally 100% more responsibility, and I did something personally that I stood there in front of a switchboard in front of an energy source that is potentially a fatal that could have taken my own life like W T f. Why would you put yourself in a position like that? You know, I know that now and so for 10 years, because we moved away from the town that I live in. I didn't have to talk about it. Yes, I looked different because not that I'm scarred. But I had this new pink skin, this baby skin that had come through and I looked different, so some people wanted to know about it. But after 10 years, I came back to this town that we used to live in. People knew that I had this incident. They wanted to talk about it. And so I sort of had to talk about ITM or then and that was sort of a bit cathartic. And so I was ableto Now, from from then to now, really talk more about it in industry and share my story so that other people can learn from that and not put themselves in a similar situation, make silly decisions like I did,

[00:05:22] spk_0: but do you feel that when you're telling that story for the first time? Not so much for when you're going out and doing speeches. But when you're doing this story for the first time and you're sharing the information off this incident that occurred, do you look back and you're reliving the whole thing over again as you're describing it to people.

[00:05:40] spk_1: Absolutely. And sometimes more than other. Like the first time I told it, it was crazy because it was about 15 years ago. About 15 years I've been doing this work, and that's obviously moved into small, like safety, leadership type work and psychological safety. Leadership work, etcetera. I remember the first time I told it, man, it was so impactful for May personally, because I gotta ask to speak a safety meeting. And e was on a site where, you know, someone from the operations team led the safety meeting, and some of the topics leading up to mine were like, how to put on sun cream or how to indicate on around about, you know, like, really, really important talk. What? They are

[00:06:22] spk_0: often a laugh. I'm so sorry about that. Yeah, they're important.

[00:06:27] spk_1: Right on and they are important, you know? And they just not They're not exciting. They're boring for the audience, right? Everyone sort of nods. And you're right. We'll put that sunburn cream on properly and someone that anti Um, can you leave this this safety meeting? And I said, Yeah, if I do that, I've got to tell this personal story and they said, Yeah, that's okay. Do that. And I I just listened to a video by Charlie More craft J. Have you heard of Charlie

[00:06:54] spk_0: More craft? Oh, yes. What a fantastic story

[00:06:57] spk_1: has. Oh, and like there was a massive inspiration for May. That was probably the tipping point for May, when I heard that at the induction for the site that I was I went Holy Mac and Allah. There's someone out there that sharing their story and enable thio toe help others by telling their story. And and that was one of the big things. When I got asked to talk this safety meeting, I said, You know what? If Charlie Warcraft can do what I can do it and I told that story and back to your question where you said was it was it like being there? Absolutely. It was like being back in the moment. You know, I got a switchboard photo when I, you know, you know, showed what it was like to be blown up. I showed the photos of my hands, and I talked about the skin being pealed off in the Burns unit and all that sort of stuff, and it was really, like being back there in the moment.

[00:07:43] spk_0: So as your experience and I just want to know about the first time because I know that we can talk a little bit more about what you're doing now. But as your experience, this is the first time and you're living through this, do you? Is it an emotional event for you? And I know that, You know, we normally don't talk about emotions on most of these shows, but I'm trying to understand what you're going through, because now you're in a public setting having this conversation, and you're describing it for the first time. So you're reliving to an extent to

[00:08:08] spk_1: absolutely and significantly high emotions. Joseph J. So you imagine that, um, not only the emotion of being on stage public speaking for the first Time J, which is quite a significant emotional

[00:08:21] spk_0: hold on. This is the first time your public speaking to Oh, wow, this is like a whole other plethora of thing. I mean, you're living double emotion here.

[00:08:28] spk_1: Absolutely. And some. I'm off the Richter scale sort of nerves, and I'm off the Richter scale. Um, personal experience wise, and I'm in front of people that I know. So all these people are no in love and their workers that I've been working with for probably six or 12 months at that stage. And we're a small, tight knit group, and here I am up the front, about to reveal the most personal things about the recovery. Not only just why I was what's the right word is dickhead politically correct term these days.

[00:09:01] spk_0: Why

[00:09:02] spk_1: did something silly in a switchboard that could lead to my, um, death. And when you when you actually open your heart up when you actually, you know, peel back the layers and say I really did something silly. And this is what it was resulted in. And this is the pain and suffering. And I talked about the pain and suffering from my parents. Joseph my my dad got a phone call to say that I've been electrocuted, which, which means fatally injured as you know, and so J. It was really, you know, so many layered that that particular day It was 30 minutes that I was just drained afterwards. So yeah, absolutely. That that first time. And you know what wasn't the first time? I don't think there was so impact for me. It was the second time because six months later I got asked to tell the story again. After I told it the second time, I walked into my boss's office and resign and said, I'm leaving this work. I'm going to go and tell the story for a living.

[00:10:01] spk_0: But it's it's amazing when you look back at this for a moment, the vulnerability that you're opening yourself up to because here's the thing. I mean, even as you described it, a dickhead mood, your your word, not mine, but you that you did something that was, you know, that what most people would dio, and that's how some of these incidents occur. But what I mean, there has to be so many emotions at the time off. What if this does not actually get accepted by the audience. What if they cannot actually accept what you're telling them? Like what was silly? What you did? Let's move on. So you're I mean, you're going on to the stage, and you're making yourself number one vulnerable and taking a risk on what you're actually sharing. I mean, I'm talking from a psychological standpoint here, not like doing the work. But, man, what an amazing story. So you go in there, you resigned, and you say this is what I'm gonna do for a living. How do you know that the market is going to accept what you have to

[00:11:01] spk_1: say? Great comment. I didn't e I had to come home and tell my lovely wife, j So let's just unpack the emotions and the psychology behind it. First, I I think what I needed at the time was I needed to see something like Charlie More craft toe, actually. Give me just the push. You know, like without that video, I would never have had the emotional, the psychological strength. I would never have been able to control my emotional state enough to believe which a zoo we know that all behaviors, belief driven. And I would never have believed that I had the ability to tell that story in a way that I could control my emotions enough to get my words out to get that passed the vulnerability piece and really express what I wanted to share with that audience that day. Because that Z the thing about is, you know, is that it's that emotional control that has to be tied with a message that's worth telling. And when you can put both of those together, all of a sudden, you get this impactful experience for your audience because it's not about the speaker. At the end of the day, it's about the experience that the audience has that are now realize after all this years, doing this work and and to be able to, you know, think about the impact that this thing had on my life and to be able to package that up into 30 minutes at the time with the emotional strain that went with that was tough and mind you in saying that once I'd resigned from my job and once I left that site and came home that night, I'll never forget the conversations I had with my wife, E by, you know, resigned. She said. Okay, well, that's really interesting, she said. Because there's two kids in this house, she said. Now there's zero jobs. There's two more things to mortgages. And apparently there's only one adult living here. She said.

[00:13:00] spk_0: I hope she still is the life. Nothing didn't change from there, Right?

[00:13:05] spk_1: But 30 30 years and going start with 26 years of marriage, John, 30 years together.

[00:13:11] spk_0: So congratulations with that. Well, good that she stuck with you. So then what? Her next steps that I mean, because this changes everything. Let's just be realistic. So all of a sudden, now you have a story, a very important story. I mean, and let's make sure that we that we do reference how important it is and you have a message that you want to share with others. You have inspiration by Charlie Warcraft Story. But how do you decide that this is something you could move forward with? Because now you have put a gamble because this is what it is on your story on moving forward. So how does this come about?

[00:13:43] spk_1: So it was really simple. It just came about with the decision. It just came about J with right and and a commitment and an absolute burn. The boats. We're not going back. So resign. Get a business name and start ringing people. It was in the age when email wasn't as Bigas. It wasn't there. There was no email marketing. There was no, you know, YouTube. There's no blogging back then 15 years ago, and I sort of first went into business. All that stuff was just sort of kicking off and starting. And so back in the day, it was just, you know, ring people that you know, and just say, Hey, this is what I'm doing now and hope and pray that people were willing to give me a starting to give me the opportunity to come and talk to their teams and share this message. And in the early days, when you when you really set out, as you know, in business one, you don't really know whether you're gonna go any good, whether you're going to succeed because you don't even know what your message is. You don't even know really what your market wants. And so you've got. You've got to navigate this river off. I feel like there's something out there. I feel like I can add value to the planet. I feel like I've got a message for workers. Will they be interested? And two, They're not the ones that get me on site. It's their leaders that get me on site so well, safety leaders will operational leaders. Will organizational leaders be interested in this story and be interest in bringing pit someone into their business? Like May Andi, allow me the opportunity to try and touch their hearts and minds, which lends up in their hands, hopefully to and then making different decisions. So you know a lot of that stuff when you put all that together and you're trying to make these decisions about your future and your business and there's no money rolling in at the moment and again. And that and that's significantly that the fear of sitting in my office back in those early days on my bedroom back in those early days with a computer in front of me trying toe, get paid to do this thing that I knew that I was I could be good at which I wasn't good at at the time. As you know, when you first started Business Day, you're pretty crappy

[00:15:51] spk_0: E.

[00:15:52] spk_1: And and public speaking is something you gonna learn. You know, it was crappy at that, too. So I said, let me out there and let me let me talk to all your people and all your workers because I feel like I got this message. Then when I got there, I didn't do such a good job of that. Jay's on dso All of a sudden I realized very quickly that business wasn't gonna be as easy as I thought it was because I was overly confident in my own ability. Um, thank God I was. And I was very naive about the struggles in business because the struggles in businesses, I think if I knew how hard business, what's at the time, I probably wouldn't have done it by rights. So

[00:16:29] spk_0: I think that's most of us. I think that most of us go. I did not realize you know how how much it takes to actually catch and kill sometimes

[00:16:36] spk_1: absolutely, and and unfortunately, Joe, I got a couple of you know, those lucky breaks where I had some friends that said, Oh, you know, we're in the safety business now we're you know, we're supervisors or superintendents. Now we've got the opportunity and trying to bring you anywhere business. Come and do the first one for free and we'll see what you look like and then we'll bring you back if you're any good. So I got the opportunity to go on, do some of that work with some people that I knew and loved. Andre trusted me enough, and I think it was that trust to get started and and all of a sudden, here we are 15 years later on and obviously, what works develop?

[00:17:15] spk_0: Yes, I mean, there's a lot of work to be spoken about, so we'll go over that in just a moment. Don't don't worry. We're going to cover a lot of information here, but here's the question for you from when you decide to quit, go out on your own. And, yes, you did reference that you did a few of these speeches for free. When is the first time that well, we could say, Did you have the opportunity to dio a free speech? Compared to a paid speech. What are we talking? Timeline?

[00:17:42] spk_1: Oh, from when I went into business J. So the day that I went into business, which was September 2000 and four bye by Christmas time. So it was It was months before I actually got paid to tell my story. So by Christmas 2000 and five, I was actually telling the story on B E was exchanging my story for money. So between one and three months was the timeline. And in that time, I had to do with the O plenty of free ones, like a rotary or even on sites that were these. These buddies of mine, as I said, had got me introduce, um, free ones. So on day, and believe it or not, in the even in those first early sessions, I could remember. And I shouldn't e don't even like thinking about this that I used to put people to sleep even in 30 or 16 e o.

[00:18:37] spk_0: But no. And the reason that I asked this is because sometimes we need to understand the story. We need to understand the story of where you came from and how you got where you're at and that's what I always find interesting is because sometimes people look at others and me included. I mean, I don't want to say the wrong thing where we look at someone and they might be doing stuff at X level, and we don't realize that they had the struggles to get to this point. I mean, your struggle besides quit your job and went for it. You have this catastrophic event that happens that becomes part of your life story that you want to tell others. Then let's be realistic safety professionals as we can word it is, they're doing the stuff that they dio. We don't do it for free. I mean, let's just be realistic. I know that, you know, we do it because we love people, but we still have to actually, you know, feed the family s o. I always like to have the other side of the equation. Some people don't like talking about it, but I think it makes a better conversation. When we do have these

[00:19:37] spk_1: eso as

[00:19:38] spk_0: you're sitting around, you get the first gig. You're doing it, you're moving forward. You put some people to sleep, but you excited some others because we had other opportunities come about. At what point then? Do you say I have an idea? I want to write my first book because there's a number of them, but you say I'm going to do the first one.

[00:19:58] spk_1: Mm e. I reckon it was probably around the 6 to 12 month Marcus soon as I started speaking, as soon as people started being interesting. J. And I love the fact that you're willing to really unpack this this hard stuff because, you know, the book was hard. You know that that first book was it was a year or two in the making, and it was it was a slog. It t get alive that information together. And to be able Thio put you know, 30,000 or 30,000 words on a page and actually put it together in some sort of a meaningful way when these things, as you know, that you've never done before. It's the first time that I was in business. It was the first time I've done a speech. The first time I got paid was the first time I've written a book and you know that you make so many mistakes along the journey and you find people around you that you think can help and some of them can. And sometimes you pick the right people, and sometimes you pick the wrong consultants to help out. And the challenges are firstly getting paid because that you've really got to do that. And unless unless you can find a way to put food on the table, you're gonna go out of business very quickly, as you know. And I love again this unpacking of the struggles because all of a sudden, here we are 15 years later and thank you for having me on the show because you know, the overnight success thing. I love the overnight success thing. I've been at this forever, and yeah, you're right written five books, and at the end of the day, people don't see that they just see them Now they see 15 years worth of experience to showing up in all of a sudden that's polished, and it's and it's a good process. And here's some books that you can you know that the cell or to give away whatever the case may be. And people don't really understand that that, you know, for fight those first five years, you don't actually get a lot of work. And it's, you know, it's hand to mouth stuff for the first five years in business or 32 to 3. Probably, really. And the skill that you've got a craft And, you know, some of the biggest mistakes that I made. If if I can unpack those very quickly, is that okay? Just maybe the quick couple of missed aches.

[00:22:21] spk_0: Oh, please, go right ahead.

[00:22:23] spk_1: The first one was trying to be someone else. J So the biggest mistake that I think I made was and you'll probably appreciate this one. I thought, Right, So I'm gonna be a public speaking. I'm gonna change the world with public speaking. Right? Who's the best on the planet? Tony Robbins. Great. I better go Tony Robbins seminar and do what Tony Robbins does. So I did that so again, watch him. And then all of a sudden, I try toe emulate what he does. You know, the way he walks, the way he talks the way, move his hands, the way he moves his feet, the way he tells stories. And

[00:22:53] spk_0: can you match the height. I mean, that's gonna be another problem. Of course. Right? Yeah, of course. Because

[00:22:57] spk_1: you can't pay someone else. Yet on what a fan was, the more I tried to be someone else, the more that I wasn't myself and the more that I was inauthentic. So I really had to come back to when? When you're in the public speaking game, you've got to bring yourself. You gotta bring your own vulnerability. You gotta bring your own story, not someone else. So and And that took me a few years to really understand that it's not about being someone else. It's about being you. And it's about being authentic. It's about bringing your own personal story and bring vulnerability and emotion to it. The next thing that I learned was around. It's not about me is the speak I used Thio really get into. How important always is a speaking what a load of bollocks. It's about the other people in the in the on the planet, you know, it's about other humans, and it's about that you're not successful unless you're gonna add some value. And I really actually didn't want in that early enough like It took me a few years and I sort of got wrapped up in writing books and doing staff. And now it's more of a giving process. It's more turning up in service. So I think that anyone in business as you'd like look at you. You know how much value you adding to the planet by sharing all these personal stories, And that's, you know, that's turning up in service. And I think if I've learned that sooner, that probably would have helped. My career is well and and I think the third one is probably just around making sure that your messages messaging is meaningful and it comes back to point to where it's about other people. And it's about caring enough to make your message and help your message be important and talking to different audiences. So you know what? I'm talking the leaders. My message is different to what I'm talking to Electrician's. Yesterday, J. I spoke to apprentices. You know, that's really important work for me because these air these young humans that air 17, 18, 19 years old, going into the workforce for the first time that are about to swing the Spanish for the first time and and to be humble, be part of their journey is really, really important. So I'm gonna make that messaging meaningful. And I can't talk about psychological safety, your safety leadership. To them, it's about, Hey, don't do something silly team, you know, don't do what I did. So it's a really simple message for apprentices because they're just going out of the workforce for the first time. So they're probably the three key things that I learned back, back in the

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[00:26:42] spk_1: Look, I reckon it was it was probably years. It was It was literally years before I actually worked out that the harder I tried, the less I was successful. And what I mean by that is the harder I tried toe be Tony Robbins or or a great public speaker, the less I succeeded. When I flicked the switch and said, You know what, just do you bro. You know, I had this thing. I don't think it was an epiphany. It was just a learning experience for us, said You could do this better. You could actually bring MAWR of yourself to this. You could open your heart up. You could open your head up. You could open your your learnings up, and you could actually just tell it the way you want to tell it. You know, there's no script for this. Don't worry about public speaking school because I went and studied from Australia's best public speaking back to church as well and follow the process. Now, if you listen to me speak, you probably say that I was technically incorrect in the way that I do it, because I just I probably free freestyle it a little bit. That's who I am now and you know, you and I freestyling now that's who you are. And when we find out our process J, when we find the way that works for us. Holy Mac cannoli, its's authentic and it's a and it's a really it's a riel mm satisfying process to actually turn up authentically so I reckon it was probably a t least years. They took me to learn that lesson,

[00:28:26] spk_0: so it took you several years to learn this as you learn this. So I would imagine that the people that are listening to your messaging, the companies and organizations that you're interacting with, our seeing a change in what you're doing. So what happens now? What happens to what people are saying about the offerings that you're giving

[00:28:43] spk_1: them, like what happened? J specifically was, as I started getting a little bit more polished, people were really interested mawr than in more than just the stories. So I go into an organization and you know, they get me in for a 45 minute speech or what? Our speech and I talk about the incident. Then they asked some of these questions like you've asked today. Hey, so what did you learn? I mean, not only what did you learn? What did you a leader learn? What did the business? That you're another timeline? What would the changes they made in? Hey, by the way, can you come and not only work without workers? Could you share with their leaders what leaders could do to help their workers stay safe to be more risk mindful? Okay, cool. And I'd never heard of this thing called safety leadership I've never thought about Hey, a supervisor of other humans has the impact or the ability to impact on other people's safety, like, you know, Yes, you knew that. Yes, yes, I sort of did. At ahead level, I never got it. A heart level. So all of a sudden, and I'm not encouraging, absolutely. You have safety leaderships important than I didn't really conceptualized at the time. That it's more than my work is more than just speaking to other workers. My work is speaking to CEOs to speaking to safety leaders, to safety professionals and coming up with have how my experience and obviously all the research that's been done Now in all the papers that people have written and different things, how we can package UAL that up into safety, leadership training, how we can use psychological safety theory and line that up with physical safety. And how does psychological safety impact safety, physical safety, leadership and what a safety leaders doing and out there or not doing that impacts on the decisions that their teams make that keep them safe or not, and so off. My work sort of, you know, turned into Mawr off the mindset stuff for leaders rather than the the hand stuff for workers. And and there's a There's obviously still a lot of both in the work that I do that it developed. There's my work, got better People said, Hey, if you can do it with the workers, could you come and dealt with their leaders? And I would absolutely love toe.

[00:31:16] spk_0: So as you start doing it with the leaders and you're seeing the transition in the change of everything going forward now you're talking to a separate group of people to an extent. I mean, it's still the same group, but slightly different. Now they're seeing the Polish version of you. You're changing the way that you're looking. You're going. You've already done school at this point, but then all of a sudden you decide. Hey, I don't think I have enough. It's time to go back. What's the decision behind this?

[00:31:41] spk_1: Oh, yeah. And so So it was funny because in the Burns unit, when just after the incident, jail worked out that I was never gonna become electrician's anymore or never gonna work is an electrician's anymore, and

[00:31:54] spk_0: I understandably understandably so. I I get it. I really dio

[00:31:58] spk_1: might you know it is crap j when I like, even to this day or that gun reset the circuit breaker on my switchboard even at home, like, seriously, this stuff has long term impacts. And so I said, I'm not gonna go on works Electrician's anymore. Even though I had Thio, this was the weirdest, weirdest thing. I've studied this apprenticeship for four years, and I didn't know that I could do anything else. I didn't have the mindset that you and I have now where Just go and change your career if you want. Oh, and and so I decided I was gonna work Electrician's. I started studying human resources back in the day, you know, back not long after I got out of the Burns unit because I said, I've got to get off the tools, actually went and worked his electrician's for three years after the Burns unit. Guys, I was really, really scared of work, and I didn't wanna works Electrician's, so I couldn't wait to get off the tools. And so I studied a human resources degree because I really want to understand. It was the closest thing in my mind at the time to what people do, what they do. How do we influence others, You know, and I think it was the start of my journey trying to unpack, trying toe, learn about myself and others and then allow these years later. So that became business. And then, man, it and I started management. Then I started maintenance management because I was a maintenance superintendent of the time. And then a few years ago, you know, I really went You know what? I don't have enough information. I don't have enough, um, knowledge around how the brain works, how the mind works, this decision making stuff. And so you know what? I'm gonna do a psychology degree. I'm really gonna deep go deep doing a deep dive into what it means to make safe decisions From a psychological perspective. What is? What is the psychology that's happening at the at the coalface? We call it in Australia. You know the work front for workers? What? What What's going on in there, Brian, when they're making a decision, and how can we influence that so that they make safer decisions from a psychology perspective? You know, What What's going on in people's and regular? What's going on in the word Nikki's area? Where? What are they hearing? And then and then what? How's that translating to how they process information and how does that show up in their in their hands? So we talk about hearts, heads and hands. So what? What is it for people? What's the big y? What do they make the decisions that they do? And so I'm still committed to that question. Why people make the decisions that they don't. How can we How can we help them make safer decisions at work? And not just not just physical, safer decision, psychologically safer decisions? How can we help leaders create environments for people where they're willing to speak up? So how do we help leaders say the work is Yes, it's OK. Tell me more. Yes, I know you know your job. Well, tell me about it so that we can help you do a better job. But what you dio does that Does that make sense of J?

[00:34:52] spk_0: Yeah, it does. It actually does.

[00:34:53] spk_1: Mm. Uh hmm.

[00:34:56] spk_0: Good.

[00:34:57] spk_1: So he's going to say so. Psychology. Doing a psych degree, man has Bean probably, uh, what I say One of the best decisions I've made in my life. I've just enjoyed it so much. I just I can't get enough of how the brain works, how the mind works and how that shows up in behavior. So, you know, really, And I encourage anyone to do some psych study because it's just such an interesting part of life, as you know, being Ph. D

[00:35:24] spk_0: e. I understand it slightly. I understand it slightly. I say that jokingly, of course. But here's the thing. How much do you when you decided to go into this and you do the psychology stuff and you're still doing the safety stuff and you mentioned a couple of points here, but what do you think that it did to the work you were doing? How much you to change from where you originally started? Now we did cover part of that conversation where you are now with that change. I mean, of course it's crazy going back into getting a degree, but it's a great idea, also at the same time, to let's not July away from that. But how much did change the work that you were doing, uh,

[00:36:03] spk_1: like I'm gonna say 360 degrees. Excuse me, Jay. Just significantly. My, um I feel like I plateau in my work. I feel like I did the same stuff for too long, and I think I don't feel like I gave my and this is only looking back on it now. I don't feel like I gave my clients the best knowledge on the planet. I don't feel like I was educated enough. I don't feel like I was aware enough off just how much literature is out there. How much I had the the opportunity to share, you know, like we I'm gonna say a lot of people j on the planet just don't realize just how much in for informations at our disposal. And now there's too much information at our disposal, Really, Which is

[00:37:03] spk_0: paradigm,

[00:37:04] spk_1: obviously. And it's about corralling what information is out there so that you can share that in a meaningful way and that you can add to that information so that you could do Cem Cem, culture or safety, culture research. You know, we're gonna about toe work with a university so that we can do some of that work. Add thio the knowledge based on the planet by understanding what people feel on how they think and how they behave and what that looks like from a mindset, perspective and organizations and how we can help leaders further understand that their teams and their people. And so has it improved. My work are significantly J. And I'm you know, I'm looking at papers literally, that I've got open on my screen at the moment from, you know, Andrew Neil at the University of Queens, Laura and Andrew Hopkins, who's another researcher. And so it opened my mind up to just how much knowledge there is out there and people like you who are PhD who contribute to the knowledge based on this planet. And I'm just so grateful that I've with the uni off got access to the obviously to the psychological database proquest, for example, where I just think of a topic of safety climate. I want safety, climate who's written a paper on that and all of a sudden, like and then try to piece these things together and put a leadership program together around or add that information to our leadership programs. So you know, an answer. The question has it affected? My work are I'm so grateful, you know, literally grateful that I found psychological research and papers and information. And people like you who who can just help me do work better.

[00:38:49] spk_0: Oh, I'm just a guy behind a microphone. I'm trying to still figure out what I'm doing. I mean, I'm not gonna play here

[00:38:56] spk_1: on Thank you for being so modest,

[00:39:00] spk_0: E now, and that's the thing. I always think that the journey such an important portion of the conversation. So I really appreciate you sharing everything that you have now. I have a couple of strange questions, so I apologize ahead of time before we start getting

[00:39:15] spk_1: into them

[00:39:15] spk_0: way. Talked about your books and you talk. And you did some books and you did the first book. And I know that I'm backtracking a little bit

[00:39:24] spk_1: here. Okay,

[00:39:25] spk_0: but how does the first book go put? Put something out there. You release it. You're still polishing the craft. How does it work for you?

[00:39:35] spk_1: Look, OK, Joe. Okay, look. And that's probably the ends it headed. It worked. It worked. Okay? And I'll tell you why and you know, I didn't know how the market books at the time. I probably still don't. I made the missed a cough, treating my book as an expensive business card. E take it and And I've given probably more away than I've sold, which is okay in my mind, I think it's part of the giving my books of Let me let me say this my books. And this is honest. You know, I'd love to be able to tell you that I've made a million from books, and all the rest of it is probably not the case for May. Unfortunately, I've always made my money back on my books. So it's not as if they've cost me a fortune. So they, some of them have. I've written five. Some have cost $5 to print. I've solved for 20 some of cost $2 to print, and

[00:40:31] spk_0: I don't know what you're supposed to give all that away. I don't know if that z

[00:40:35] spk_1: e and and maybe not in that's right. And I'm just I'm just being honest with you.

[00:40:40] spk_0: I say that jokingly, of course, is your business. Your opted to do whatever you want, but I I understand what you're saying. I mean, but I just ask some of these these interesting questions because here's the thing you go from. Give your life direction. I'm assuming that's the first one. If I If I found the information, correct,

[00:40:56] spk_1: it was,

[00:40:56] spk_0: and you go into the choice point. But inside of this arena of books that you dio, then there is the one that throws me off. So I have throws me off because it doesn't match the rest of the sequence. You're earning millionaires and billionaires secrets revealed. How does this come about?

[00:41:17] spk_1: Well, this was an interesting one, Joe, where I have you heard of a guy called Spike? Humor

[00:41:24] spk_0: does not sound familiar, but I'm terrible with

[00:41:26] spk_1: names. Now. That's okay. So the reason I ask you, Spike, is an American guy who who used to work for some of the thought leaders over there from in a marketing space and and Spike and a guy called Darrin Stephens, who's an Ozzie guy. Um, we're doing a program at the time where they were looking for contributors. They were looking for people like myself who want to write bestsellers and that we're interested in actually being part of a process where they looked at really, really serious really high level success stories and unpacking what, what what those people did to become successful. So the Richard Branson's of the world or the Oprah Winfrey's of the world. And in spite this this American guy was actually connected to these people and and I was lucky enough to actually get the chance Thio work with those two guys. And I actually hoped at the time J that I'd get to obviously talk to some of these really successful people, which I didn't. Unfortunately, I got to edit all the materials. So So Spike and Darren got Thio, interact with all of these famous people and ask them the questions like you're asking May and that turned up in a book and and obviously I didn't get the chance Thio Thio interact with Oprah or Richard Branson. Unfortunately, I got the chance to interact with people like Spike and Darren, and we pulled this book together just about all of these great people, I just because my goal was to write a best selling book and I got the opportunity to do that with Spike and Darren and I just I jumped at it at the time because I really wanted to one keep developing and I wanna learn. And I wanted to take my life to the next level, obviously, as we all do and keep growing and developing. And I want toe understand what it took to be, Oh, whoever successful and so and the journey was great. So I fulfilled a life goal of writing a bestselling book, got to meet some really, really cool people and and learned a lot about what Richard Branson and Oprah Winfrey and people like that.

[00:43:33] spk_0: Let's be realistic here, E. I think you're kind of shying away slightly, but you are the lead author name on the book. I mean, I'm not gonna look into alphabetical order. Let's not talk about that part. I'm talking about that. You have the primary name listed. You are the first on that book.

[00:43:53] spk_1: Yeah, and that's pretty special, I must admit. And that's why I was so I guess, um, that's why I jumped at the Opportunity J because it was such a great opportunity to be part of that process and actually right about something that if someone really, really proud off actually writing a bestselling book. And it's something that, um, you know, it's really near and dear to my heart. I know it doesn't fit the sequence and you're probably not the first person that said that. Why did you What did you go and do that? Why? Why didn't you, you know, do something else. So I guess I just I just love the opportunity. I just love the process of being part of writing and best. I've never written a best. I know how the marketing and I didn't how toe doing much of that night, and it was just so important at the time. And I'm really grateful, and it's really special to

[00:44:40] spk_0: thio, Believe me, I don't want that to come across across the wrong way because I say it doesn't sequence of what you were doing. But let's be realistic. There's other outside interests that safety people have outside of safety, so I don't want it to be like if it's not safety, we could not talk about it. This is a

[00:44:54] spk_1: terrible good thank you. Thanks to e

[00:44:59] spk_0: e. Just want I just wanna make sure because I when I found the books I was looking and I was like, Well, this one doesn't one does not look like the other. And I was like, I have to ask the question behind it and I loved during the purpose. Now you go to books further after that one you go, let's talk about safety and then you have the newest book, How to Get Life Results. So tell me a little bit more about that one.

[00:45:22] spk_1: Eso How to get a Life Results was a really interesting one. J because what I did was I had the best seller, obviously, at that stage. And so we had the Richard Branson's Oprah Winfrey's How to Get Life Results is how how normal people out there on the planet uh, us doing their things successfully. So this was the one that really, really e I got so excited about this one because it was not the Richard Branson's of the world. It was the J. Allen's and the anti Guineas on the planet who aren't household names, that they're actually adding value to the planet. You know, there was, you know, a physiotherapist on there who was a physio to what we call the state of origin team. Right. So hey, was a really successful physio, and now he's gonna studied law. So, you know, that's a great success story. How do you go from, you know, school toe physio for really, um, important sport teams to now being a lawyer? How does that happen? My brothers in there, Hey, went from not great at school to now. He's a doctor, you know, And like, how What are the journeys like for for normal people and what are the decisions that they make? You know, we had the the head of the National Speakers Association in Australia, Lindsay Adams, in that book, you know, how do you had? And he was the same as you and I where he made a decision one day to go into business. And what did that look like for him to go from that to being, you know, the National Speakers Association head. And so it was really around. I had the millionaires and billionaires of one end, and then this other book was Hold on a second. How can we all do it? How can anyone on the planet go on leave their dreams and be successful. And how do you actually get life results? Whether you wanna be a doctor, whether you wanna be a physio with whether you wanna be a podcaster, whether you wanna be a psychologist wanted whatever that is, you know, on how do you have you believe in yourself enough to make the decisions that are going to take you to where you want to go on. How do you step forward? How do you step into your power and how do you How do you make really, really tough decisions that come with risk? And how do you unpack the risk reward scenario so that you've got enough courage to go out there into the world and do the things that you know deep down your heart of hearts? You've got the ability to doj that he's out there waiting for you. How do you go out and be? And for May even and you talked about outside of working outside of safety? You know, I have been lucky enough to represent our country and triathlon. Joe, I'm coming to your amazing country. Hopefully in September. Fucking get there around this covert crisis. Todo half iron Man for at the world championships. So

[00:48:11] spk_0: so you know, Congratulations. Congratulations.

[00:48:14] spk_1: Thank you so much. And I can't wait to get over you. Is Utah are any good ST George, Utah? Or is that a good part of the world?

[00:48:21] spk_0: Well, it's It's an interesting part of the world, Depending on the time of the year. It can get kind of cool there, that's, that's for

[00:48:27] spk_1: sure. You can get hot,

[00:48:29] spk_0: though,

[00:48:30] spk_1: huh?

[00:48:30] spk_0: Well, it's kind of that weird time of the year, because that's kind of like, um, there's a lot of skiing that happens in the state of Utah, so it will be interesting on the timeline. Now, keep in mind that everything backwards your your summer is our winter, So you'll be coming right into that fall. Winter

[00:48:45] spk_1: area time. There you go. OK, thank u s. Oh, well, so, yeah, Now I'm looking forward to that, and and that sort of, you know, the other side of the story where we've all got interests outside of safety. And I really wanna inspire others through that books like how to get life results that hey, you can do anything you want, whether it's, you know, Iron Man triathlon or whether it's gone during a psych degree or whatever it is for you. And there's plenty of other people on the planet doing it.

[00:49:11] spk_0: Well, Anton, I really do appreciate you coming on to the show. If people want to know more about you and the products that you offer and the services you offer work and they dio

[00:49:20] spk_1: w w w dot Anton guinea dot com dot au j or w w w dot the guinea group t A g u i n e a grou p dot com dot au They're the best places to go.

[00:49:34] spk_0: Well, Anton, I really do appreciate you coming on to the show.

[00:49:37] spk_1: Jay. Thank you so much for having me, mate. You're doing great work and I just really appreciate the opportunity. Have such a great conversation with someone like yourself. Thank you so much. And thanks for the great questions.

[00:49:48] spk_0: Well, that will conclude another episode of the J. Allen show. I hope you enjoyed the conversation with Anton Guinea. As much as I did remember, the J. Allen show could be heard exclusively on safety. FM Safety FM is the home of riel safety talk. We couldn't do what we do here without you. The most important part of safety FM, the listeners. We'll be back with another episode of the J. Allen show Before Too Long. Goodbye for

[00:50:20] spk_1: now.

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