"Carrying THAT will get you killed!" More often than not, this is something stupid people say, because they don't understand self-defense or force-multipliers... and they don't want to. Phil Elmore dives into the topic of tactical pens, mouseguns, and other "talismans" in self-defense in this episode of The Martial Arts Podcast with Phil Elmore.

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