[00:00:00] :  this, this this show is brought to you by safety FM. And from the border of Liberty, prosperity and the highway, the north, this is safety wars for Tuesday, november 15th 2022. Okay, good afternoon, everybody evening wherever you are, had a little joke. So my, one of my friends Dave from west Virginia paint was, he's one of the managers over west Virginia paint. He had his, he had recently bought a house, has him and his wife uh and they have two Children had bought a house uh and where my family owns a house and uh Northern New Jersey. And I always tell, I said Dave On November 15 x November 15, you gotta make sure that all the outside work is done. I said like raking up the leaves, make sure your snowblower is going and everything else. So he said, ah ha ha, funny jimmy. But you know what? I'm going to trust your experience. What do you think happened? We wake up this morning, it's 18 degrees at his house, right? Remember was 70 over the weekend. And guess what happened now it's snowing there. So I said, yeah, I told you november 15th and he said yes, yes, jimmy. I said thank you, thank you, thank you very much. So there's a lot going on there and I have to put this in here now. I uh a lot of sites out there are a lot of podcasts, live streaming program, but they referred to the old def con system. Right. And what was the defcon system? So during the Cold War they had, right, if you ever saw the first time I heard of it was the uh, the uh movie war games with Matthew broderick and Ally Sheedy early eighties I think it was 82 or 83. If you remember they had the old five and a quarter inch uh floppy disks, right? That was featured in the movie. And the modem was actually you took a phone and you put it in, connected the phone come physically the computer. And they know this was mind blowing for us as young kids 12, 13, 14 years old because we had never seen anything like this. And then all of a sudden everybody wanted the computer and they had mentioned def con you know, and you get to def con one nuclear wars imminent or likely has or has already begun and he takes you through five I think regardless of where we are on def con, even if they still have it, I'm not even sure if they still have it. Uh, I think our defcon level has gone up today. Why is that our uh so here we have uh missiles right going back and forth, all different types of artillery going back and forth between Russia and Ukraine and apparently two bombs as of this. And this is probably going to change as of right now, Tuesday evening to uh missiles missed their mark at least. That's the official story. So Russia has denied that this has even happened, missed their mark in LVIV and apparently landed in Poland uh Landed in Poland killing two people. So it's right now there NATO allegedly is in meetings as to how to respond. Uh, they call an article five where uh where an attack on one is the attack on all the NATO countries and everything else. And where is the article for? We're just be consultation now, hopefully cooler heads will prevail here. So uh the defcon system, right defcon one is nuclear war def con five lowest state of readiness sort of like after 9 11. They had all those color codes and everything. Uh, it's scary. Uh, we need everybody to keep cool heads. I don't know how much influence we're going to have here on our leadership in any country. However, prayer. If you believe in prayer, pray say pray prayer tonight for peace. Uh something I want to point out and I know I'm probably gonna do a promo for this whole thing for this program. Tonight is the that we have, we're at eight o'clock Eastern Standard time, five o'clock pacific standard time, which is afternoon drive time on the west coast. So I advertise this as an afternoon drive time uh program, what, how can I say this without being arrogant. Okay, what the hell with all sound arrogant. A lot of the program. A lot of the news we share on this store on this show is the first could be considered the first news for the late night talk show hosts, uh, in the overnight or the first morning because a lot of the stories here that we talk about are dealing with what went on, uh, during today and they're now we get to them before everybody else. So I'm actually a little bit proud of that. Right? I'm no. So let's just head off with the news article in New york Times. An op ed was what writing a self driving, Tesla tells us about the future of autonomy. Uh, a lot of questions are out there, whether things can be done with a fully self driving car or not. I see a lot of potential here, right? But you're taking out the human factor. And even though we have human error, we understand, I pointed that out to somebody tonight. Look, we have human error all the time and there's nothing you're going to do about it. Uh, no matter how hyper focus you are, no matter how hard you try and this is unfortunately what uh, unfortunately what we're trying to get out of or we're going to computer error? Well, a computer cannot always anticipate what is going to go on ahead of you right now, what's going to, what that other driver is going to do? What the site conditions are, anything like that. If you're on a back country road or you're on an interstate and you're going across country. That's one thing. But I tell you what drive in new york city traffic or L. A. Traffic, see if you're going to be able to uh make sense in your environment. And this is where where uh computer is an artificial intelligence right now have a problem. Uh One question that I heard about a month, month and a half ago on another program was this, pardon me, hold on a little bit of holdover from code, a little bit of a holdover from Covid. Sorry, I didn't get to the button wake enough. Uh So and I mentioned this the other day. What's the difference between artificial intelligence and what we have its context? So here's a question for you. It was a beautiful sky. The sky was. How do you answer it? You can say the sky while most people are gonna say the sky was blue. We're all sure right. And you know that through experience a computer is gonna say uh it was uh blue because of probability because that's the most common. Uh That's the most common thing that people say, pardon me is uh blue. What are some of the other things? Clear sunny many different things. Computer cannot figure that out because computer cannot feel, Computer cannot think so. That's that's part of what the issue is. Ah I have all these news stories open and they keep on going and requesting a login. It's very frustrating right now. Alright walmart has agreed to pay 3.1 billion to settle opioid crisis lawsuits brought by several U. S. States and municipalities adding to a landmark settlement with rival pharmacy chains. Um So basically walmart is paying $3.3 billion in charge is uh right to settle these lawsuits basically. Uh This was uh pharmacies were held liable because of, they were not mismanaging this stuff, they were found liable for it. I don't know how that's gonna impact the stock or anything else, but I guess it's uh you know, it's doing, you know, some of the states have got to get paid for managing these things as well as insurance companies and everything else if it's the problem that they caused from not uh doing uh what they're supposed to here. We have two related stories uh here uh and it is, Hold on, where did it go? All right. So in with fentaNYL, right, this is another one that is killing, killed something like 100 and 10,000 people in this country last year alone and that's every year. I mean there is not a family including mine that has not been impacted by the fentaNYL crisis. My question is this our president met with xi Jinping uh the uh president of china. Uh he was recently uh reappointed or re elected, I'm not sure what the correct term is. As president of china. Did he actually discuss the fentaNYL crisis since most of the fentaNYL comes from china and makes his way through here via Mexico and other routes. I don't know. I hope that things were discussed on this because I tell you what uh we're talking demographic issues here that might have a great impact with everything here. Uh if we say, well, what you know, what's the big deal with demographic impacts? Why are we discussing them? Well, we talked about one with 110,000 people dying a year. Right. And the United States that could be a big problem uh, takes that and this is it's not older older people on the population pyramid that are being killed. It's the younger people that's going to have an impact on the economy. And when the long term economy because the people aren't in there to participate in the economy. And guess what demographics drives the economy when people buy things. When people buy houses buy cars, save money. It's all driven by people who are as Aldrin by demographics. And here we have another story on demographics. The earth has no now home to eight billion people. That's billion with a B. The United Nations has said because people are living longer and fertility rates have surged in some countries the U. N. Population division Calculated the global population reached eight billion people. Right? And they're attributing this to uh, better health care, higher fertility rates in certain countries and other things. So uh I don't know. We have eight people billion people. Let's talk about something else here too. Another story related to demography, this one is from humans could face reproductive crisis is firm. Can't declines according to a study coming out of Dude. Where is this? This is coming from Professor Hagai Levine Levine, the first author of the research from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem quote. I think this is another signal that something is wrong with the globe and that we need to do something about it. Yes. I think it's a crisis that we had better tackle now before we may reach a tipping point, demographic issues, everything is driven by demographics, our economy, our resource use uh everything along it. Now we're we mentioned a couple of different demographic crisis crisis here between uh uh Covid. Right? With the high death rate. With that? We didn't mention it. But it was mentioned one of the articles here on the billion people on the planet. Now we have the fentaNYL crisis, sperm crisis. So let's talk a little bit about pop culture here. We have a tv show on hulu and just completed its fifth season called The Handmaid's Tale. And you're thinking well now what's he going to talk about? Is it gonna be religion? Is it gonna be something else? What's it gonna be? And I think I think that since I'm like the only one that ever talks about this stuff. Alright uh that I probably could make this a wrong button every time I do this comedy of errors. I can make this a safety words exclusive since I'm the only one who's talking about this. What's the Handmaid's Tale? Handmaid's Tale is a tv show on hulu where a religious group, Sons of Jacob take over the United States during a demographic crisis. And it doesn't really go into what exactly happened And everything else in detail in either the book or the Tv show or the 1990 movie starring civil shepherd and robert Duvall. But demographic crisis when you have a demographic crisis in a environment using basic ecological principles, everything else gets thrown out of whack. So for example, you have Social Security going broke. We were warned for many years. Social Security is going broke because people donating into the, well I don't wanna say donate being taxed to support Social Security are becoming less and less compared to the people collecting. And now all of a sudden you have a situation where you are going broke with this. Uh that's one thing. Health care, resource use consumerism. All this stuff goes into it. So demographics and birth rates and all of that is an extremely important part of our Western society. Now, if you look at uh the one child policy in china for example that they had up until very recently and they were less rescinded. Uh They were facing demographic prices they felt of overpopulation but now 40 years into it. Two generations into it. They see some of the cons of a one child policy meaning uh no negatives here. Something to be discussed. Not here on this program but I'm going to mention it. So Elon musk a couple of weeks ago took over twitter and he is not making too many friends over there. So there was uh an apology by him saying about his service that it was super slow in many countries. So one of his employees uh uh went and responded to him and saying I have spent six years working on twitter for android and can say that this is wrong, right by the right. And uh and I can tell you this is wrong, right? We're gonna have to go to break in a minute here. This coughing doesn't clear up. I've been a developer for 20 years and I can tell you that as a domain expert here you should inform your boss privately. Was one of the response trying to one of them in public while I was trying to learn and be helpful. Makes you look like a spiteful swell solving. Uh D. E. V. Developer. Uh then no and then it was back and forth, back and forth. What do you think happened? Uh One a half it was bus senate. You're fired than in public. We covered the laws of leadership last thursday when we were substitute hosting for J allen. And one of the things is is praise in public criticize in private. I guess that software developer probably should have been listening to our show. Uh Right, and must should know better than to know. He would have been better just to take it rather than just my opinion. Uh try to escalate this and say, well you're fired. I don't know, pain for pain doesn't work. We know that from our hop philosophy and you cannot uh no public arguments is stupid, especially with the company. I mean, it's usually not uh very uh good outcome for anyone involved. Third time's the charm, right? Nasa's returning to the moon with a mega rocket launch. So uh this is being covered by a lot of places and I looked with a lot of optimism, right? One of the questions, I mean, why haven't we been to the moon in almost 50 years of manned mission and really not too many missions? Uh and I don't know, there are a lot of questions, a lot of things behind. And now we have an Artemus one mission which is going to be a manned mission to test flight without astronauts. And it's the first step. Uh Nasa is saying it's the first step to a lasting presence on the moon wall. Now there was lost interest in this. Now, here's something they named Artemis. Artemis was Apollo's twin sister, right? And greek mythology. So I'm looking forward to this. I'm looking forward for my Children to see this. Uh the Orion space capsule is something like 60% larger than the Apollo capsules and is able to hold uh six more uh four more astronauts, seven astronauts total. I was listen to Richard C. Holguin on this last night uh from another podcast, not on safety FM, but he's actually was one of the original reporters on the Apollo mission and wrote a lot of the big chunk of the press guide for the Apollo missions, which are still pretty relevant for today. Uh, the sections that he wrote, well, it's something very uh, you know, something very uh interesting here. 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This is jim proposal with safety wars. So I often make this joke. People know I'm getting older here and I'm getting a little bit more experience. I actually the other day got my first senior citizen discount. They don't even ask, They just give it to you. And I'm like, you know, my wife says, jimmy, maybe it's time you get a haircut and you can look handsome. Like J Allen. But anyway, uh, no, that's what Alan Woolford said. Also, he was also on our network, You know, when I substitute those, make sure you get a haircut. You know, you can then no one, you know. So I think you can tell the difference between me and J Allen. You know, that's my opinion. But anyway, he's in much better shape than I am and I think he was about two or three inches taller and I'm pretty tall already. So anyway, uh, no, seriously, I mean J Allen is in phenomenal shape. All right, phenomenal shape isn't mm A does mm A does other stuff. I mean, you're talking. You know, I wish I could be like jay Allen. Right. Just six months into a statewide ban on single use favorite plastic facts. Billions of these facts have avoided circulation in new Jersey and we could say, so what does this have to do with my age? I'm often asked, No, well, how old? And I said, I'm old enough to remember when plastic bags are gonna save the rainforest in 1980-1983. And they banned and paper bags went the way of went away and now they're back paper bags. So, uh now you're gonna say, well, what's the different plastic bags? We have a huge plastics problem in the world with a lot of pollution. If you want to go and uh, go to Alice Look, google Alison Teal Allison's Adventure. She does a program on the Maldives Island And a short movie on, she's also known as the female Indiana Jones where she actually goes and does a huge story on the Maldives and all the plastics down there. And now plastics. The reason why these bags were always foisted on us in the 80s, where that it's biodegradable. Now we know that we have microplastics in every part of the food chain, pretty much all over the world, in the oceans. That's where they end up. And that can't be good for the environment. So we went back to banning paying for bags and many states, including New Jersey and New york. Apparently it's uh good thing. But now we have other problems right? There's costs and benefits. Everything. Okay, We're not getting those disposable bags. However, people are going around with these other bags, right, reusable bags And guess what's happening, which I can never remember to bring into the store, right with me when I'm shopping, because it's usually I got a phone call or I call jimmy, go and get whatever tonight. Jimmy, you gotta make a guacamole run because we're doing uh uh we're doing uh now taco night tonight, I said okay, I'll get guacamole. And of course you go there and you find other things including a bouquet of flowers for my wife. But anyway, they had no I didn't do anything wrong. But anyway, at least not what she's saying. But anyway, you find all this other stuff, what's happening? These bags are getting very grody, they're getting very disgusting, very whatever. So they have to be clean periodically because they get dirty. That's something a lot of people don't and apparently don't do. So plastic bags into this reusable stuff, it's great that they're going back into paper bags, you can find a plastic bag unless you buy it on amazon or something. And uh you know, clean good for the environment. And we're talking about safety here and safety, Environmental safety is a good thing. But the thing is right, uh you may have other things issues with this right now, you gotta always carry around bags, we're not gonna do that story here. So here's some California news California's will be legally protected during emergency conditions effective in january of next year's state, a state law will prohibit employers from taking adverse action against employers who refuse support to work due to conditions of extreme peril, wow. So what is this? The workplace is an emergency affected area and the employee has reason to believe that the workplace or work site is unsafe or the employee has in order to evacuate their home workplace or work site or their child's school has in order to evacuate. So this is a little bit different from the federal law. The federal stuff right under OSHA, as long as an employee is making a good faith effort to resolve a safety issue, they don't have to participate in the job, right? Meaning you cannot say f you and leave, that's not know that you can't do that and expect to have whistleblower or any type of legal protections, You have to make a good faith ever. So you can say, well, look, I'm not gonna do X, y, and z, but I'm gonna wait here, I'm not doing it, I'm not leaving your job, chances are you have a better chance in arguing wrongful firing. This is something a little bit different where if you have an emergency in your community or in the workplace or there's an emergency affected area, whether you believe the workplace, the work site is unsafe, and I guess you better have a very darn good reason, right? You don't have to show up to work, I would suggest that if you're a company in California, you put together a plan on how to deal with this. Uh you know? Uh So if so, for example, what I would think is like, that's what they're talking about is a pandemic. Where if your workplace does not have a uh loosey goosey with covid 19 procedures, or let's say that there is a criminal act or a uh safety impacted from a disaster something to the workplace. Uh right, uh you don't have to show up. I'm, you know, this is gonna make a char a little bit of a nightmare to manage, because I tell you what, how do we define this stuff? Right? Here you go, Safety of the law that defines emergency conditions as conditions of a disaster. Extreme peril to the safety of persons or property at the workplace, or works that caused by natural forces or a criminal act in order to evacuate a workplace or work site, or workers or the school of a work school of a worker's child due to natural disaster or a criminal act. Okay, let's talk about some what could be a criminal act. A lot of criminal acts out there. Workplace harassment could be a criminal act being threatened and believe me, that happens all the time. Up until recently for safety professionals, your safety professionals, someone says, if you leave me alone alone, otherwise, I'm gonna beat the hell out of you. That could be an illegal act. A criminal act, terroristic threat is an act as criminal act. How about someone who's dealing with illicit drugs out of the workplace by the way, that happens more often than you think that's a criminal act. Uh, in some states, you have people going and the companies are loosey goosey on uh, concealed weapons laws that, which have recently been changed. That could be a criminal act. How about evading taxes? Is that a criminal act? Yeah, that could be a criminal act. So criminal act could mean a lot of things are a lot of persons sort of like when Todd Conklin says, people get hurt at work, hurt means a lot of different things, right? You can be financially hurt, You can be physically hurt. You're gonna be emotionally hurt. Criminal act. I don't know. I tell you what if companies deliberately evading taxes, they're probably doing some other stuff to worker safety wise, environmental wives. I can, I see time and time again. Companies, people that do things and companies that do things one thing illegal, They do other things illegal here we have as California as well as dry up, residents rely on bottled water to survive. Okay, bottled water. All right. People with the drought, you have a, well, it runs dry now, you're pretty much screwed. And when we do the, did our disaster preparation stuff in september this year? We talked about water lot of water over 100 gallons of water just for drinking alone for a family of four in a month that doesn't include anything else. So you're talking about bottled water, right? Uh being uh you know uh this is expensive way of going with bottled water with everything. And so in that house that further impacting a family budget especially with all this stuff on uh inflation. Now you have another cost here. Uh agriculture, right? Shipping in water. Now, this is what I don't get right? And according to some reports, right, California cities, water supply expected, I think we covered that last week, expected to run out in two months. Here's something we California is a coastal state. I don't know if people know that. So jim well what's the deal? What do you mean? It's a coastal state? Well you can build desalinization plants and have all this stuff resolved my opinion. Why are we having these issues with water shortages? This is like a manmade uh crisis here doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense. I mean they could have started building desalinization plants even for peak water usage or for emergency uh water issues like they're having like a drought running out of water. I don't get it. I you know, I don't get it again. This is one of those other fronts on the safety war I four I found 14 right. Uh starting Tuesday meeting today, Apple will begin rolling out its emergency S. O. S. Via satellite service. All for the iphone 14 models of outside of seller range will now be able to send messages to emergency services via satellite connections. Older iphones don't have the required satellite hardware. So this is actually a good thing actually a very good reason to have and iphone 14 or a satellite phone is if you're in areas where the cell phone service is spotty. So for example, you know, you'd be surprised the number of places that don't have cell phone service for example. Uh Sussex county, New Jersey. Very good area thing. A lot of people especially living on in the woods like we're living up there. Uh we're uh uh no we do not have good cell phone connections. So everybody has a heart has an old has uh an old fashioned phone. Either a wired phone recorded phone where we have it through our internet service, a phone, why in case we need to have an emergency, you got on line 11 that calls you you know, you don't have to deal with the loss call dropped calls or anything that goes directly to the uh appropriate emergency service. And you have your thing and you have your address and everything else in there right? All part of emergency planning for your household for your business. You don't want to rely on only a cellular phone unless you can help it for contacting emergency services. Something that you need to consider. Right? So my opinion uh investigate now a lot of people have a love hate relationship with uh with uh have a love hate relationship with Apple. I get it. You know, Okay we mentioned and for whatever reason and did not get uh it did not get uh what do you call it recorded last night my podcast or on this program. I was to release it. It's on gas cans. So the question is always, can you legally use a red plastic gas can consumer great gas can on your job site. And the answer is probably not why gasoline is a Class one flammable and combustible liquid. So what do you need? You need some type of a can write. It was also known as a safety can. This is all in 29 CFR 1926 1 55. If you're on a construction site. Our subpart F. 1926. Subpart F Right, so only approved containers. Important is um 1 52. A one only approved containers and portable tanks shall be used for storage and handling of flammable and combustible liquids. Approved safety cancer Department of Transportation of containers shall be used for handling and use of flammable liquids and qualities of five gallons or less. A safety can is an approved canons in 1926 1 55 1. closed container and not more than five can check that. It's 1926 1 55. I'm not sure what sub paragraph it is. Uh an approved closed container of not more than five gallons capacity having a flash arresting screen spring closing lid and spout cover. And so designed that it will safely relieve internal pressure when subjected to fire exposure. Gas cans cannot can only display D. O. T. Approval markings when they meet stringent D. O. T. Requirements. And this is where uh it gets a little bit confusing inexpensive plastic gas cans, maybe E. P. A. Requirements but they do not be D. O. T. Rules. So that's basically when it comes standard. So all those And this cancer diesel fuel which is the category to liquid and so gasoline category one is red diesel fuel, category two is usually yellow and they're all spring loaded and everything else. We have a friend of the program here that was using a consumer grade can and was missing the flash arrester which is one of the first things that gets lost. A little screen in there. And what happened was the can caught on fire. The gas caught up favorites going on fire and rather being what half was the gas can blew up horrific injuries. Right? And if you think, well that only happens to him, remember jay Leno this week got facial burns and he's gonna be out of commission for two weeks with it. So it can't happen to you. I just want to reiterate that. And uh if and when I go on to release this program we'll have it on there. Now paperwork specifically site specific training. I'm gonna say well what now what's the issue here? Big issue site specific training. So you have a construction site you're allowed to say you're working for the general contractor or you are the general contractor. You have to go and make sure that everybody on site knows what the hazards are. We went over this where you have to have on a construction site a competent person relay what the hazards are. Do assessments and all this other stuff. And often we're a company. What what happens this translate especially if you're covered under the process safety management standard. Everybody has to have training on the job. So you what do you normally go through? So on a construction job you may go through has common training. These are the chemicals we have on site that's part of it. Why? Because the G. C. Could also be held liable under OSHA and under uh tort law or tort rulings being court cases and everybody else as being liable for injuries if for this stuff, especially if they don't do this. So what do you have, you have site specific training you talked about has come you may talk about the different hazards on the site. Emergency action plan, what you're doing uh P. V. Requirements and everything else. Because I tell you this is what happens you're on a job? Someone gets hurt right? Someone gets injured and they cannot it's very difficult to sue your employer if you are a uh employee. I mean, under workers comp laws the way things are, and I'm not an attorney here, but I'm telling you through experience, So to sue your employer in most states and it goes by state and it's regulated by state, it's like a really high legal threshold. You have to reject workers comp because workers comp is there is a no fault insurance to pay for your medical bills and other things going on in there up to a certain point. And anybody who I have who has returned to work after a workplace injury that's been on workers comp that I've had to manage for being involved. And my first question was, so how was workers comp dealing with him? Jimmy? It sucks. Now, it's like, you know, it's like you're being uh you know, your mind is being sucked out your through your nostrils. It's like a horrible, horrible thing. Oh and how was it? Hey? Oh it sucked. So what happens? You can see where people may get into their head that now we're going to reject the workers comp system, we're gonna sue the employer because it's they did something egregious often. What happens is the employer does something egregious and it's warranted. But trying to find an attorney is extremely difficult. So who can they sue? What's my point? They could sue internal contractor, the site owner and everybody else involved, including the safety professional, Right. Especially if you're a third party. What's the first thing that the attorney is gonna read about? My client did not know the site rules. Here's another thing if you want to fire someone and they want to get sued you for wrongful firing, bringing the union, my client, my union member, my union brother or sister did not know the site rules. Oh, really? If you do not do site specific training, guess what? They got a leg to stand on. If you do site specific training, you have one more thing right to protect you from your liabilities and everything else. And also you need everything else involved in a robust safety program. You need to have disciplinary actions, you have to have enforcement of the rules equally throughout and everything else that goes along with it. Uh So what happens? You're not enforcing the rules or you're picking away, you're picking on my person here, my client and everything now you're in trouble uh, with that also. So none of this counts. So you have to make sure everything is uniform. So this brings us to what we're dealing with here today. I get a phone call from a new client and the new client says uh it's our understanding that the last job that you worked on, you had a automated system where you would stand scan a QR code and it would take you to a website. Uh hold on, pardon me, I still got this breaking up here going into coughing fits, uh you know where I'm having a problem tracking the people getting the site specific training and there's an app for this. And I got in contact with the app. People that we use that we've been forced to use uh with as I said, look, I don't think that you're going to go and do this training through an app because we know that passive training is the least effective. Number one and number two, an app where you're just signing off on things that your responsibility ends there got to enforce the rules. Also, how many people do you have coming onto the job, a lot of people are coming in and out. What system do you have in place to guarantee that everybody is going to go through the training Because this is what happens. I manage jobs where there may be 2000 people coming through from the beginning to the end of the job. A lot of people just walk on the job. They said, we don't need site specific training. Their employers don't give them site specific training and now they're lost in the workforce among 2000 other people on the job or 1000 people or 500 whatever it is. Once you get above 25 or 30 people, there may be people in there so that you're not going to miss. And guess what? Those are the people who are normally going to get hurt and they are going to say, I didn't get any training and you're liable or you're at fault and you're, the safety person gets blamed from them not having training, let alone that the site supers and everybody else don't tell you that you have new people coming on. And by the way, if you have any measure of facial blindness, it's a nightmare to manage here. I mean, it's no, it's a uh, it's a nightmare. And you say, well, jim, what do you mean? I don't know? Everybody looks the same, especially when they're in hard hats and safety glasses, you're not gonna recognize anybody. And you can say, well, jim, well, what, what's the issue? You know what, what, what's the big deal? Those are the people who are not getting that are gonna probably gonna get hurt. How do people circumvent these systems? Unless you have a absolute way of identifying people I've seen, hey, we have a 15 year old at home is gonna do, we're gonna throw them 100 bucks and he or she is gonna go and do all of the side orientations for everybody. Right? So again, just because you have a system Now, you need someone to administer a system, especially if it's an app, you find out how many people are not very tech savvy also. So if you want to go, how can I say this nicely. So you want to go and you find, if an employee often if it's for a nefarious website or a very highly not for safe worksite, they're experts on doing that, finding out whatever they want, but ask them to do uh a site orientation on a website. They can't do it. And this is another strategy. I don't know how to do it. Okay, so you don't know how to do it, you know how to do everything else? You're not checking the box. You cannot read a statement and say yes, you've read the statement. No, I can't do that A lot literacy issues. We talked about literacy here over the years on this website, on our podcast and on our program. What if you're dealing with an illiterate works force, How are you gonna manage that? You're now giving them a computer app to read and everything else? Oh, now you got to manage that. How about bilingual? Let's say that you have a crew that only speaks hindi, that's all they speak. I've come across crews that only speak hindi, they don't speak english now. How you gonna manage that? That has to be managed. I remember going on to a job site where being on a job where my the foreman says, well he thought he was going to get around sites as their training says, none of my people could read english or spanish. I said, oh really guys, can you read, they understand spanish, Yeah, you read spanish, Yeah, they understand span but they can't read it. They can't do the site specific training. I said oh sure they could. I said you're you speak spanish and said yeah you're gonna do it with him. Well guess what? It was like the Rosetta stone all of a sudden everybody can read spanish. It was incredible. Incredible. Everybody could read and write all of a sudden on the foreman had to sit down and actually do it with them. Everybody could read or write. We had another situation with a polish crew, nobody knew english, nobody knew english at all. They don't know english to me you gotta work through this foolish guy, this interpreter, an interpreter is saying something different then guess what happens? What do you think happens? Payday comes around and there was a problem with a lot of the paychecks. Guess what? Guess what happened All of a sudden everybody was able to speak english because there was a problem with the paychecks. Also when it comes to safety, nobody speaks english but when it comes to paychecks everybody speaks english. It's incredible. You know we had one guy Frankie, I'm not going to use his last name, Frankie had had everybody buffaloed, he acted like he did not speak any english at all. Why he didn't want to deal with anybody who was a non english speaker but it was incredible because we caught him reading a technical manual in english inadvertently. We've caught him reading the new york times in english also, so you can oh yeah yeah he can read english, he just can't speak english. Then there was a problem where he had a safety issue and it was a legitimate safety issue. So I went to a supervisor and said look I spoke to Frankie and we worked things out with the safety issue, had some questions and he says jimmy, he understands english, so yeah he understands english real well, he he forgot himself. So you have all these things going on with language, you have all this stuff and I'm not here to offend no, I work with whoever is, I have friends from many different backgrounds and I get along with everybody. Believe me, I get along with everybody regardless of what you're thinking. Uh my rants on here and everything, that's not what the point is. The point is you get these programs, you have a training class, even if it's hard. Coffee on paper, Are people able to comprehend what they're reading? Are they able to read? Is it, is it at their level? Are they able to read the language, you're in all this stuff goes in there? Are you able to track people? So just thinking that you're gonna go out and have a technical solution to site specific training ain't gonna work, there's a lot of ship that goes into it Alright, let's just the way it is right now, I'm working on a project where everybody on the project is from the Caribbean and as we know, caribbean english is different than american english or the queen's english. And we were having problems where we had to go out and we had to how we had to uh come to an understanding and explain things with different words and everything else that what we're normal, it's about working with people, getting along with people respecting people and everything else. And that's how you're going to write when that there's safety war. And I got to refresh the screen here. How could the screen B- 32 minutes behind right on the program running time? I don't get it. So, some of the other things. So what's the bottom line? What's the whole day? I'm ranting. I'm going all over the place just because you have just because you have a program in place, if you're not administrating it, whether it's sites, whether it's site orientations or any other program at a level where your audience understands it, your audience can comprehend it. You're placing yourself at a great liability with things just because someone comes in with outside training, like an OSHA 10 hour course or 30 hour course doesn't mean that they're familiar with what's going on on that job. If you're the safety professional you have to go and you have to show, first day of work before they even start because once they start try to get them back and do the training and it's not gonna be a problem? All right. And all this stuff going on, you have to take an active role. Don't think you're just going to roll out the program and then it's gonna run itself. You gotta run the program and that's it. So let's talk about three studies that came out recently. This is from researcher university Cambridge. The same feeling poorer can lead to lower self esteem anxiety of behavioral programs in Children such as anger issues or hyperactivity. We used to call it Keeping Up with the joneses and I from what I understand, there is a story behind that uh in Americana where that came out of Keeping Up with the joneses. Uh but this is what I tell. There's a story, not a story, a song. I'm not allowed to play music here by sticks. The old group in the 19 seventies called the Grand illusion and they probably need to update it. And what was the song about the song was about uh tv and the ads and the news favors and everybody else tells you how your life should be and that's someone else's fantasy. A lot of wisdom in there, especially as if you're a parent, I tell them, don't worry about what other people are doing. This is what I told my kids worry about what you're doing, right, Because especially with the uh social networking, right? Oh they're doing this, they're doing this? They're going I said they're not doing any of that. What do you think they're living some type of uh gifted life here out there. Your friends, your friends are going through the same struggles you're going through. Many of them. They may be a little bit different. And guess what we're there to help guide you through these struggles and teach you how to deal with this stuff, you know? And again, it's feeling right. Try to quantify it. And they said, well, other families have more money. Yeah, they do. But look at what their parents have to do. They get that money right? Think of it that way opportunity. Everything else out there that all goes into it here you have exposure to other lights at night can cause a significant increase in diabetes is a story at a shanghai china right where metabolic stress and the stress of nighttime work, especially if you are right, if you're managing people at night, many different health effects. So there was another state. Many of them study on this, pardon me? Here we have another one is from Australia, an immunotherapy gel. Can end the use of painful chemotherapy for some cancer vacations where they actually go. And they've been testing us on dogs where they are able to do cancer surgery, removal and then they're able to put an appointment on there that they're hopefully going to reduce the risk of a recurrence of cancer pretty uh nifty things while they're on the cancer front. So this is what I want everybody to do tonight because we have the impending incident here in Poland. I want everybody to say a prayer. I want you to go tomorrow into work Energized. I'm ready to fight that safety war that we're always talking about for safety wars. This is jim proposal. The views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those of the host and its guests and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the company. 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