Safety FM with Jay Allen
The Sampler Plate
November 2, 2021
Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay provides you with a "Sampler Plate" of what you might have missed on Safety FM! Take a listen and let us know what you think!
Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay provides you with a "Sampler Plate" of what you might have missed on Safety FM!

Take a listen and let us know what you think!

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[00:00:00] :  this show is brought to you by safety FM Mhm Well, hello and welcome to another episode of the J allen show. I hope everything is good in grand inside of your neck of the woods. You know, I have to tell you, it's been just a small period of time since you and I got to hang out together. But for me it's been a totally different world wind. I've actually been out of the studio for the last week. So a lot of the stuff that you were getting was recorded on the radio show, but actually then brought into a podcast format and then we're kind of hanging out here doing what we're doing. So, as we're starting off this lovely week, I mean to you will be Tuesday more than likely at the time that you're hearing this. But I am actually right after the day after Halloween and I was taking a look around and taking a listen to what we have going on on the radio station, which is safety FM dot com just in case if you're not familiar with, but I'm pretty sure you are because I talked about it all the time here, but I wanted to sit back for a moment today and really let you know what we have to offer. So this is not going to be your traditional show where you would come in, take a listen and then kind of skedaddled out what I want to give you today is if I would call it a sampler plate if I may do. So just the kind of the same way that we have it in safety, I want to give you the sampler plate, if I may of what we have available on the radio station now, I'm not sure if we're gonna be able to play every single show that we have available because, you know, that makes a little bit difficult to do. I'm talking about the different show host and so on, but we will be concentrating on safety. FM as we're talking about this, not radio big dot FM, which if you hang out with me, you kind of know that I talk about both of them all the time. So, what I would like to do right now is, have you sit back for a moment and take a Gonda um and take a listen to what we have going on here on our lovely radio station, you're known as safety FM dot com and I would love to start you off with the dulcet tones of DR Todd Conklin with his episode of the pre accident investigation. Take a listen right now here on safety about mix, we may not be able to, hopefully some of us can can actually fix that that system, but to your point earlier about the forklift, if we start to put ourselves into these people's perspective and ask why it made sense to do that. We may be able to see how we could make similar mistakes in other contexts. Absolutely. And I think you can't say that enough times. I mean, the bottom line is this is a workplace accident. Mhm. And so all the things we know about understanding and learning more workplace accident would inherently be true in this case. But the ability to shut up and listen has been greatly controlled, reduced, mashed whatever word you want to use by the fact that it's a movie set. But the fact that it's famous people are the fact that it's gotten a tremendous amount of press and by the fact that it involves guns. I mean, these are all really important things, but at the end of the day, and I don't think this is risky saying at the end of the day, it's it's not a lot of different than a guy getting smashed with a bulldozer or or a guy falling off a scaffolding to his death. It's tragic, It's horrible. I'm so sorry it happened. But I'm also so concerned about the restorative actions that will go next. The ability to make the system better and the recognition that there are so many victims of this failure that due to my knowledge, at least, as of now, are probably worried about criminal activity and stuff like that. I mean, this is really freaky. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and to me that that, you know, we can talk about that in two different ways. I think you can talk about it from the humanist perspective, where, you know, like, what's Sidney Dekker always says, you know, meeting harm with harm and how that seems at least problematic sometimes, right? But I mean, from a pragmatic perspective, like how does that make us better if people are afraid of criminal activity? They naturally, I mean, people are natural risk managers, so they're going to manage the risk that we created by the threat of punishment. Um, and so how do they do that? They do that by shutting up, they do that by not telling by, you know, they're not creating accountability and the ability to create an account of what happened, right and that and that fundamentally is going to make it harder for us to get better from this. It's just it's wrong. And it's one of the things that's frustrating is there could be actual incidents that may happen in the future. I mean, this is all speculative, but I don't think it's far fetched that we could have used this incident to learn from, to do something different that may happen. But because of the threat of punishment, we didn't get to learn. And so now those things could happen. You know what I mean? And we'll never tie those things together. We keep the pattern of scapegoating will keep happening again and again and more and more people keep getting hurt as a result what's your gut instinct on the reliance on protocol. Um, because clearly this is an operation that relies heavily on experience, you know, experienced armors, experienced professionals personnel that understand what it's like to have a weapon on the set. And I'm not expected. I mean, I I don't know. So I'm wide open on this and it clearly from what everyone says relies a lot on protocols. You know, this is our practice, this is how we normally do that. And then there's kind of these, um, I don't know, these overarching protocols, like never point a weapon at somebody. Those, what's your gut tell you about protocols? My gut is protocols are valuable. They they are hugely important. They're just not terribly robust. No, that, and that's sort of, you know, I've seen people and they're and they're very right that, you know, militaries and, and law enforcement, you know, they go long periods of time relying on protocol and uh, you know, expertise. So it must work. And my concern is that okay? Yeah. But they have their training, their discipline, they're all those things are fundamentally different than what we would expect of actors and, you know, production designers and things like that. I mean, you know, when you're handling weapons every day, your your ability to build to create a protocol that becomes robust or robust dish, if you will is significantly more. But the capacity to do that on a movie set, I'm just worried is not there. And again, I'm not an expert in this, I wouldn't know, but I'm suspicious that the reliance on protocols is the way forward. It seems to me that's that's something that inevitably is going to fail. And I think you're right. And, and to me this goes back sort of squaring the circle. The experts aren't very interested in talking about this right now because to a great extent, I think they see their entire livelihoods in in question at some point. And, and, and that's a significant part of the restorative practice sort of the idea of asking, okay, who's been hurt by this? Right. And then recognizing that to a great extent the industry to itself is at a crossroads. And this can either be a huge cost, a tragic cost, which is currently where it is that equates into some kind of criminal outcome, whether it's civil or or whatever. I don't really know what the future holds there or it can be an enormous investment in the way this kind of work is done on a place like a movie set. And the ability to learn from this has to be, I know it's president. This is a context rich event. There's so much context in this event from, from labor unrest commuting times Two to identify safety issues to weak signal indicators to, you know, some accidental discharges that existed before this happened. It's easy in retrospect to go back and say, well, you know, all the signs were there. But to me, the better question is how can we turn up the sensitivity to this high risk phenomena? Thank you. So, that's a great podcast right there, talking about some of the things that happened during rust, the movie set between Todd Conklin and Ron Gant. You can find more of that, I believe on episode 5 59 of the pre accident investigation. So, as we are going through this today, this is kind of our sampler version of what we have going on on safety FM. Which I would love for you to take a listen to. So right now, let's sit back and take a listen to Alan Woolford and some some information that he just recently shared on Halloween in regards of what the future has with dragging up six point out, take a listen now on this sampler version of the J allen show of what's going on on safety FM dot com. What got me started into podcasting and sort of triggered the idea of getting onto this format and communicating in this manner was my very first podcast that I did with Sheldon Promise. Now he interviewed me, um one of his earlier shows, he's got various shows that he does for OSHA that he does for consultants and he was also my instructor for my cost certification or certified occupational safety specialists. And that that got me interested. I like the format. I like listening to other people that he spoke to because it gave me ideas about the profession then through them. You know, I also got to discuss how I got my start and safety through the actions of a worker uh, from Thailand that happened to be on wake island with me in my last two years and law enforcement. And simply if you've not heard the show, what he did was to each morning, go out and pass pennies to other workers from Thailand. Now this may sound insignificant most as a safety thing. But you know, so many people have the hype bullshit that safety is a priority. No, the priority in the minds of many, many workers is the dollar. That's why they're working. You know, it's that that money that they used to support themselves and their families. So his way around this was to hand him a penny and I can't tell you how much they made. You know, this was a government contract and I don't want to discuss things like that. But when you have another person of Penny, they may drop it, you find them all over the road. People have such small value in something that that's not a dollar. But these guys have met a lot because that's why they were there. They were there for the money to support their families, take care of their kids, send him to school by the property, feed them and that Penny meant a lot. Safety is a mental game. That's what it is. It's not steel toe boots. It's not glasses. It's not gloves, people around the world where I have lived, don't have half that shit. They do have petals. They do have injuries. But is it more or any worse than what we have in the States? You'll never know because you won't be there. But what made me get even further was being on these two shows with Sheldon. But what they all lived under me was not only made better by the amazing guests that came to show. Starting with Betty stout, but when J. R. And I started interviewing people and seeing their views on safety, it gave us a broader spectrum of how safety is viewed as a profession. Betty was our very first interview and became the gentler and softer side of the podcast team when she joined after her show aired. And you know, we, we picked out her a little bit because of her uh Southern charm and her southern slang. But that was what people liked about our show. We have diversity. We followed this with the incredible human resource and recruiting powerhouse at jodi concerti. Let me tell you that was one of the best shows we did because when we asked her, you know, questions, it whether it's a tradesman, it's a so uh service type person, uh safety person management. She explained to him out structuring resumes in today's era computers and algorithms and such had to be done in such a certain way to guarantee your success to get your foot inside that door. Excuse me from that we followed up with Shane Oliver, one of my oldest friends, a former army veteran, a former medic who went from the trades as a millwright who is now a safety manager, got his degree from Columbia Southern. He's just working and becoming a fabulous, fabulous safety professional. Then we had on Gerald Austin, the super talented navy veteran and welding ninja trainer here in east Tennessee. He literally blew away many of our trade listeners with his airtime on dragging up. I mean his experience and what he's seen in the field and how he developed. You know, it was a great show. In addition, eric Gislason, the director of the National Association of Safety Professionals in Wilmington north Carolina inspired so many of the safety profession to take a deeper but honest look at the value or lack of value in their search for accreditation. That yard long uh set of acronyms at the end of their names and how they could get training that actually took them from a roadie to an actual rock star. Now, one of the things a lot of people didn't know about the NSP one is that it existed. If you went to the U. S. Safety professionals page on facebook, everybody would say the B. C. S. P. Is the gold standard and that's so much bullshit. If you're, I'm gonna say it's a standard, you have to have it compared to something that's, you know, of value and property as well. It does have value because that's what everybody's looking for. You know C. S. P. L. A. S. P. These are all good things that lets a recruiter or another safety professional know your level of achievement not your knowledge not your abilities and safety. It's just a piece of paper. They paid for it on the other side. The N. A. S. P. You can't get it without being trained. B. C. S. P. Does not train. You asked it and that's what eric Gislason and the team over at Nass did. So again it's mental. You have people that see the value in letters, you have professional organizations that see the value in accreditation through somebody that actually taught it. You're not just going based off your own biased decision that D. C. S. P. Is great. Any sp is better. It's nothing like that. After we aired these guests, there were dozens of emails flooding us from others wanting to get it into our off the cuff show. Yet. We were completely different. You know we would discuss some of the stupidest sh it out there talking about Bruce Jenner Caitlyn Jenner wondering how we ran with the shoes, things like that but that's what people liked about our show, we would get a message across but we didn't do it in such a way that we made you think then we made you laugh. We break it up with a variety of information, then throw some stupid sh it in there just to recharge that mindset, get you to blink and say, what the hell did they say? Because when good communication you don't want to have that monotone and laser thing like you know precision because you get laser, you're focused on one thing we're a spotlight, we're gonna light up the whole damn spectrum and that's what people like. But then the bottom of that part of podcast, gold Russian dropped on us. It's j it's always amazing to me on how technology changes and so does the environment that we're in in cyber criminals. We'll do everything they can to take advantage of a system. 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So let's take a listen to what other things are readily available here on safety FM As we are taking a listen to some of the samples of what's out there, what's good and crude and all that kind of fun stuff on what is going on. So let's take a moment real quick and take a listen to the sounds of Emily L Rod and what she has going on with her show on apologetically bold. I not sorry for that dot take a view of what you think it might be next. Here we go. Let's get it moving right now. The next tells you something and you already knew that. And you say obviously yes, you're making it look like you're better or smarter or why are you stupidly telling me something I already know. And so I encourage people don't use that. So let's suppose somebody says something to you and you already knew that maybe you knew it because you read an article or use size T. V. Show, somebody was in fact you say that's great. I just saw a show that confirmed that or I read an article about that. How interesting maybe you'd like to read the article or you know, you can share that. You already know it without making the other person. Yeah, without a book sort avoiding writing. There's a there's 1,001 little so you're writing a comment on linked in and you start to write, obviously you go, I shouldn't say that. I should say, hey, that's great. I also recently learned this through this cool documentary, right? And I think those are so impactful because like me now I'm gonna be like looking through all my words, but, and I think the one thing that you said that was very important that I want to note on is there's a big difference in writing in speaking and so being more thoughtful and throwing out your bragging points in your writings, because I know that you help a lot with like resumes and also some of like the web content and stuff like that. What are some of the other like to do that? You're like, you need, like if you had top five to do that, you would recommend for people. Um or just the ones that come off your mind, what are the top ones that come off your mind whenever or you see them? And you're like, oh, they did it. Um like not to, not judgmental, but you know, the one that I already mentioned where if you want to talk about, I'm proud of this or I'm excited about that or I'm pleased that this happened, but find them because right, so no, no. How you can use your accomplishment to help shine a spotlight on someone else for help lift somebody else, especially I'm particularly enjoyed working with none. And so it's always exciting when you can shine the spotlight on a deserving non profit. We need to help them. You can say I did this, look at these great people that it's being that are being supported, how can we, that's that's why another tip is that people want to, they want to describe themselves as being good. I'm a great whatever. I'm a great football coach, I'm an excellent Well the speaker, I don't cracker Jack fundraiser, whatever. Instead of trying to self anoint yourself with, you know, appreciative terms, can you describe your accomplishment in terms of numbers where other people can figure out the right terms to use? So instead of saying, I'm the best ceo of this company has ever had. Could you say, you know, since I took over Quality metrics have been up by 20% profits have been up by 10%. I'm really proud of my team. Those numbers let people know that you're the great ceo without you ever say I'm great as a football coach. You can say, you could say I'm a great football coach or you could say I'm so proud of my team. We have, we scored the most goals ever this year and had the best record of the last five years. Thanks to the teeth and people will say because you're a great coach and you brought them together. Right. So, so looking for the numbers and the bigger picture, other players, it reflects on you that you're good without use. So there's another tip that I and I like to encourage people with is if you have, I don't suppose you've achieved miles If you're a writer, I published 100 articles. If your web is I just left my 250th site. If you're a coach and you work with people as a business coach. I just coached my 100 client instead of just saying I accomplished, Can you write an article or a Lincoln post or a short blurb of Here are five things I learned in building 300 websites Here. Now that I've coached 100 clients, This is a business coach. Here are 10 tips that everybody could apply and now you've taken your accomplishment and said, what have I learned from getting to that accomplishment? How can I really give that away too. Mm That's, that was very different. Well, there you go. That was Emily L Rod right there gina as you're taking a listen. So let's kind of continue on with what we have going on with this sampler here. As you're taking a listen along now, are you familiar with Jim pozole? Yes. Jim proposal from safety wars and maybe the title alone doesn't explain exactly what the show is about. But it's a little bit about everything. It's about the world of point of view, from jim proposals. Point of view and what he thinks about the world of safety. What might be going on during the time that he's talking about it. It's definitely a show that as you take a listen, there's a lot of stuff going on. So sit back for a moment and take a listen of this small sample of safety wards featuring jim proposal. Part of the sampler plate here on safety FM. Don't worry. You're still listening to the J ALLen show, but hey, I want to share what else was out there. Makes the list of the top 10 reportedly accounts for about half the violations issued by OSHA. So here we go. We'll start with a number 12. They said top 10 on this one. So they're actually giving 12. So here we go. Number 12, 1910 3 oh three. Electrical General requirements, 2745 violations basically working with electricity. Number 11. Another electricity 1, 1910 3 oh five. That's another general industry, remember 1910. General industry three, violations. Again dealing with electrical wiring methods. Number 10. And this is a relatively new one. This came up a couple years ago into the top 10 and everybody was actually really surprised And it was in construction 1926-102. I am face protection # nine, Machinery & Machine Guarding. General requirements. 29 CFR 1910.1 to 1 to 1910.212, 1743 violations. And this is another one. Number eight that comes up throughout this falls right fall protection training requirements, 29 CFR 1926 503 with 1743 violations. Number eight. Number seven powered Industrial trust. That's a fancy word for. Mhm. Fork lifts. All right, uh powered industrial trucks, sort of like hanging steel is a steel erection while this is powered industrial trucks. General Industry 29 CFR 1910 1 78. That's 2,093 violations. They found next one related to falls, ladders and construction 29 CFR 1926 10 53 and it is 2345 violations. Respiratory protection, General Industry The mix. Okay, so there you go. That has really been our sampler plate and exactly what we have going on here on safety FM dot com. Taking a listen to some different things. Now, I have to tell you. Of course, we were not able to get to everybody that's on the station. There's so many other shows that are located right here as well. So maybe we'll have to consider doing around you in the very near future of what exactly is going on inside of the world of the station. Anyways, I hope you had as much fun as I did as I got to hang out and grab some of these clips of what exactly is going on right now in real time with some of the shows here on safety FM dot com Anyways, I've been your safety manager and host jay Allen, Thank you for taking a listen to what we have going on on this show. And of course the different array of shows that we play on. Safety FM dot com. We definitely cannot do what we do without you. The most important part of safety FM And that is the listener. So thank you for taking a listen. I'll be back with another episode before too long, so hopefully we'll get to hang out relatively soon. Thanks again. And I'll see you next time. Want more of the J ALLen show. Go to safety FM dot com. The views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those of the host and its guests and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the company. Examples of analysis discussed within this podcast are only examples. It should not be utilized in the real world as the only solution available as they are based only on very limited and dated open source information, assumptions made within this analysis are not reflective of the position of the company. 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