Episode 132: Simplicity by Design for Product Development with Jason Fried, Co-founder and CEO of 37signals

In this episode of Product Thinking, Jason Fried, Co-founder and CEO of 37signals, joins Melissa Perri to explore the importance of simplicity in product design, saying no to customer requests, designing for profitability, and running a successful business while maintaining work-life balance.

37signals is a well-known software development firm acclaimed for its creation of Basecamp, a complete product management platform boasting over 20 million users since its debut, and HEY, an innovative email optimization tool. Jason is a distinguished member of the Edmund Hillary Fellowship that has also lent his expertise as a columnist for Inc. Magazine.

In the literary world, he co-authored "Rework," a guide illustrating a more efficient approach to business success. His bibliography further includes titles like "Remote: Office Not Required" and "Getting Real: The Smarter, Faster, Easier Way to Build a Successful Web Application."

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[01:25] - In product development, Jason's principle is clear: build for yourself first. Instead of guessing the market's desires, his team crafts products they believe in and refines based on consumer feedback. This method ensures authenticity and resonates with a broader audience since most teams, regardless of industry or size, face similar challenges. Instead of chasing niche needs, they focus on foundational solutions with the most universal appeal.
[06:50] - In building products, Jason follows the rule of "simplicity by design." Instead of asking what to include, he begins by defining what to exclude, ensuring only the essential remains. This approach isn't about minimalism but about understanding the core essence of the product. Unlike physical objects with natural constraints, a software product can become unwieldy without limits. So, Jason treats software as if it were tangible. Imagining how a feature might feel if it were a physical object helps him keep software focused and user-friendly.
[10:05] - Jason underscores the art of selective decision-making in product development. While there's no shortage of ideas from customers, market trends, or internally, the real challenge is determining which aligns with the company's broader mission. Rather than creating niche features for specific industries, he believes in crafting universal functionalities. So the company often says "no", both to external suggestions and internal proposals. Their decision-making leans more on intuition than strict metrics, influenced by the team's current projects and inclinations.
[26:02] - Jason firmly believes in operative prototypes over ones without backend functionalities. Spending weeks on a prototype only to discard it is wasteful. Instead, it's more efficient to develop something functional from the start. Jason also believes a successful business should move quickly, ensure genuine progress, and operate leanly.
[29:12] - The essence of smart business growth and design for profitability goes down to several principles. Start modestly - profit-focused design begins with small steps. Bring on staff only when truly needed to avoid unnecessary expenses, focus on efficient small teams, and avoid non-essential costs. Next, handle core functions firsthand, as Jason did with Basecamp's customer service, to better understand challenges. Using personal funds produces caution, and profitability offers the freedom to innovate without external constraints. Ultimately, like any neighborhood store, understand the fundamental importance of spending less than you earn.

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Previous guests include:

Tanya Johnson Chief Product Officer at Auror, Tom Eisenmann, Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School, Stephanie Leue, Chief Product Officer at Doodle, Jason Fried, Co-founder and CEO of 37signals, Hubert Palan, Founder and CEO of Productboard, Blake Samic, Former Global Head of Product Operations at Stripe and Uber, Colin Anawaty, Chief Product Officer of First Dollar, Quincy Hunte, Global Transformation Product Leader at Amazon Web Services, Ellen Chisa, Partner at boldstart ventures, and Leon Barnard, Education Team Lead at Balsamiq

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